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Topic: NZ's democracy at threat
Posted By: CrayZfish
Subject: NZ's democracy at threat
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2021 at 9:31pm
The NZCPR has launched a Declaration of Equality to counter the Government’s plan to replace New Zealand democracy with 50:50 tribal rule by 2040 through the implementation of the UN’s Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Please help create a strong movement to defend our democracy by signing the Declaration here: https://www.nzcpr.com/declaration-of-equality-2021" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzcpr.com/declaration-of-equality-2021



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Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2021 at 11:33pm
Edit: somewhat racist echo-chamber ahead, tread with care


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 1:45am
Be better off supporting this ,as it will affect many here.Keep it in our hands.


https://www.nzcpr.com/foreshore-and-seabed-petition" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzcpr.com/foreshore-and-seabed-petition


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 8:59am
What in the baseless racist BS is this now?

 It is not baseless at all.. Originally instigated by the Key government, was rejected by the clarke government.

And not racist.. unless one considers democracy as each citizen has a equal say rather than based on indigenous and non indigenous populations.

As to who or what NZCRP are I have no idea.

This popped up from Chris Trotter earlier in the week
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when the Minister of Maori Development, Nanaia Mahuta, presented her paper entitled DEVELOPING A PLAN ON NEW ZEALAND’s PROGRESS ON THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES to the 18 March 2019 meeting of the Cabinet Māori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti Committee, it is rather surprising that her colleagues were not temporarily deafened by political alarm bells going off in their heads."

Full article and links to actual documents

https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/109895/will-labour-stand-behind-revolutionary-proposals-contained-he-puapua-%E2%80%93-20-year-plan" rel="nofollow - https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/109895/will-labour-stand-behind-revolutionary-proposals-contained-he-puapua-%E2%80%93-20-year-plan




Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 12:26pm
Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Be better off supporting this ,as it will affect many here.Keep it in our hands.
 
https://www.nzcpr.com/foreshore-and-seabed-petition" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzcpr.com/foreshore-and-seabed-petition
 
Some disturbing intensions here to PCJ
I think many will not take this sort of thing seriously until its too late, without oppostion plenty of laws are getting passed according to their mandate to change, they can do what they like. Trouble is this sort of thing is not campaigned on, so the mandate term is null and void.
 
Some text from your link.

We have examined the claims and here is what we found: In addition to claims for “the entire foreshore and territorial waters of New Zealand”, there are multiple, overlapping applications, that not only cover the coastline out to the 12 nautical mile territorial limit – including all “islands, reefs, tidal rivers, tributaries, estuaries, springs, wet lands” and the “airspace” above – but also extend to the edge of the “200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone”.

Some claimants are planning on “taking” “dolphins, whales, penguins, and seals”.

Many intend ‘taking’ “seabirds” – and their eggs.

All species of “fish” – including “deep sea” varieties – are being targeted, as are all “shellfish, oysters, snails, kina, paua and crayfish”.

Some are claiming protected islands like the Poor Knights – home to the endangered tuatara – with plans for “recreational uses” and the “gathering of natural resources”, while others want “the right to derive commercial benefit” from their areas.

Many claims prioritise “mineral extraction” – the mining of “sand, peat, shingle, aggregate, rocks, stone, and ochre”.

Others specify control of the “landing, launching, anchoring and mooring” of vessels, all “boatsheds”, and all “aquaculture” developments.

Many claimants state they intend imposing “rahui” – to ban others from fishing – and most are planning to declare “wahi tapu” to prohibit public access to the coast, especially sand dunes: “all the sand dunes of our foreshore are wahi tapu…



Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 12:37pm
Some more reading if you are interested in the bigger picture.
https://www.nzcpr.com/the-end-of-democracy/" rel="nofollow -
https://www.nzcpr.com/the-end-of-democracy/
 
Steps the some info on NZCPR and their leader, ex ACT MP

Dr Muriel Newman

Dr Muriel Newman established the New Zealand Centre for Political Research as a public policy think tank in 2005 after nine years as a Member of Parliament. A former Chamber of Commerce President, her background is in business and education



Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 5:38pm
Edit: is that an echo I hear?



Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2021 at 10:15am

The NZCPR forum (now defunct) was full of racists. Muriel Newman is probably a nutter, and almost certainly a racist.

So yeah. Feels pretty racist to me.

 Totally agree m8.

Seems they have picked up on the cabinet paper , (Real) The secret signing of THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. The UN  rights of indigenous peoples declaration and running with it for their own agenda, even thu the UN delication is scarry to democracy as we know it.
 That is democracy based on the citizens , not based on race or culture.


Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2021 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:


The NZCPR forum (now defunct) was full of racists. Muriel Newman is probably a nutter, and almost certainly a racist.

So yeah. Feels pretty racist to me.

 Totally agree m8.

Seems they have picked up on the cabinet paper , (Real) The secret signing of THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. The UN  rights of indigenous peoples declaration and running with it for their own agenda, even thu the UN delication is scarry to democracy as we know it.
 That is democracy based on the citizens , not based on race or culture.
 
Agree Steps, However its definitely a hard thing to raise in public and talk about. Anyone against the race based seats in government, councils and on boards or interested in defending democracy get labelled with the racism badge, which is being thrown around way to much as an easy way of getting people to back down.
 
But the there’s nothing racist about supporting equal rights and a colour-blind society. It’s those promoting racial privilege who are the ‘racists’.
 
I just hope enough of you even if you dont feel the need to reply, read into this a little more. There is a sea change happening and opposition to it needs your support.

 

 





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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2021 at 4:57pm
I agree with that.
There are so many “intellectual” and celebrity elites just spouting rubbish that it is costing the middle and lower classes dearly. Sowing an air of mistrust and menace, which is not helping anything.

There are a few who are actually calling the current state of affairs for what it is. But you won’t see them on MSM because they don’t fit the oppression narrative. And it’s a shame because some have actually lived through a lot and have a lot to offer on social discourse.





Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 9:40am
Another angle on the same subject from a slightly better known media person.
https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/04/peter-williams-plans-for-co-governed.html" rel="nofollow - https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2021/04/peter-williams-plans-for-co-governed.html
 
NZ Has some big issues with separtist law coming to a town near you, including water ownership, and health based on race with the latest health system overhauls.
 
On personal experience at a recent few days at Middlemore hospital, i was asked to complete some info for my wife who was admitted. What Ethnicity was she. A Maori, B Pacific Islander, C Other.
 
That says it all really!!!
 


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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 11:57am
I agree. The Treaty of Waitangi, or at least modern interpretations of it are not compatible with democracy. That's the rather large elephant in the room that is never discussed. We as a country have to decide what is more valuable. NZ is going down a very strange and in my opinion, dangerous path. Any dissent is shut down and labelled racism.


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 9:54pm
technically people born and breed in nz particularly 4-5 generations are indigenous New Zealanders. The same as indigenous Polynesian.

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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

technically people born and breed in nz particularly 4-5 generations are indigenous New Zealanders. The same as indigenous Polynesian.

That's a money tree I'd rather not join tbh.


Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2021 at 9:59am
Edit: brick wall...


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2021 at 5:20pm
Rozboon, just a few guys discussing policies that might well be coming our way. No panicking, no racism just social observations on what said policy/agenda means to us, the income taxpayer.

Discussion is part of democracy even after the election.



Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2021 at 5:36pm
Edit: Whatever


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2021 at 6:11pm
And there it is.


Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2021 at 6:18pm
Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

And there it is.


Never mind.


Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2021 at 6:42pm
Actually... what the **** am I doing... pissing uphill into the wind.

Enjoy your echo-chamber lads.


Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 12:39am
Hello
Hello
Hello
Hello
Hello

Echo chambers empty Outtahere

Just the parasitic ghost of Muriel Newman floating about aimlessly looking for a host to Infect




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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 2:21am
I think Rozboon / OuttaHere may have had a bad hair day.


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 1:18pm
I saw what was edited. Hence my short reply nothing to say to that.


Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 10:30am
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/441350/collins-says-her-party-won-t-stand-for-racist-separatism-new-zealand" rel="nofollow - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/441350/collins-says-her-party-won-t-stand-for-racist-separatism-new-zealand
 
About time the opposition started to steer clear of the separtist government. They have been surprisingly quiet on many fronts, more is needed Judith.
 
 


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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2021 at 5:26pm
Finally Judith speaks some sense, been waiting a while.



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