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Topic: Smartwave 4200
Posted By: Pierre'o
Subject: Smartwave 4200
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 10:08am
Hi there all,
I'm enjoying the earlier threads, but it seems to have dried up?



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Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 10:43am
what do you want to know


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 11:02am
I've done all my homework on getting a new SW 4200. Was interested in any thoughts. Last comments were ages ago.
One of my constraints is keeping it in my garage, so was interested in Marknado's trailer drawbar hinge. Also interested in thoughts between a bimini vs. a T top.


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 11:19am
had a cool weekend away with three of them
and just upgraded my 3500 into a 4200


buy one! if you have to put a sun shelter on id go for a t top be aware though that they put alot of side ways stress on the floor! when buying new go over the boat with a straight edge to check it hasn't blown out when taken out if the mold


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 11:44am
Great feedback, thanks. 3 boats out there - you can start a club! :) I like your new green one. Could you not get the CC in the same colour? 
There's 2 points I did not consider. Is the straight edge really necessary? Do they "blow out" often? More than what's visible to the naked eye?
regarding shade, my thoughts:
T Top - looks cool; less shade; more rod and walk around space; too high to fit under my garage door. (Oceansouth make a T top that slides up and down. Not fixed to the floor, rather to the sides of the CC. Anyone had any experience with these?)
Bimini - doesn't look as cool as the T top :); more shade; restrictive to rod and walk around space; fold down v flat.


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 2:28pm
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:

Great feedback, thanks. 3 boats out there - you can start a club! :) I like your new green one. Could you not get the CC in the same colour? 
There's 2 points I did not consider. Is the straight edge really necessary? Do they "blow out" often? More than what's visible to the naked eye?
regarding shade, my thoughts:
T Top - looks cool; less shade; more rod and walk around space; too high to fit under my garage door. (Oceansouth make a T top that slides up and down. Not fixed to the floor, rather to the sides of the CC. Anyone had any experience with these?)
Bimini - doesn't look as cool as the T top :); more shade; restrictive to rod and walk around space; fold down v flat.

ha yeah there are another two In my outer friend group as well, i didn't want a green one as I felt it would be to military lol,

we only stickbait soft bait micro jig etc so are constantly casting and moving, never sitting around so never been bothered with bimnis etc as they are very restrictive


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2021 at 2:36pm
Cheers Spin King. Where do you guys usually launch from and fish?


Posted By: FizFisho
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2021 at 4:23pm
When I sold my Gemini, this was the boat I was going to buy as there has not been a single Haines 445 for sale in 12 months.

I was going to go the CC T top and put clears from the t top but down the sides of the console and to the back of the T top. Of course that would take a lot of care not to be tearing the tie dows etc. Only use when needed etc.

There is a short leg version of the 4200, i think usually made for the tiller steer option, but go for the long leg if you can, whilst unlikely, it keeps your transom nice and high from wake surge, following seas etc. Of course a good bilge should make short work of the conditions you would be using a 4200 in.

My only concern with poly boat was earlier models use to deform. But Im pretty sure SW put metal stringers in them?

I also really like the Mac 420 CC. Much lower sides and transom, but makes a great spearing and island hopping boat. Even the mac 360 jockey console is an amazing little 2 person boat.

Here is a good video of the 4200 in a bit of Slop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrixYgEWM44&ab_channel=Thecaptain" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrixYgEWM44&ab_channel=Thecaptain

Im now holding out for a glass hull, but have my eye on 4 other used hulls as saved searches in trademe should they pop up and the sw4200 is one of them, 

Has anyone looked into putting scuppers in poly boat? I like bilge pumps, but you cant go wrong with duckbills imo.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 11:54am
Hi FizFisho,
thanks for the notes above. And yes, I've seen that Youtube video, as well as heaps others :)
Keeping an eye on Trade Me like you. Missed out on one yesterday that was advertised for $17.5k with a 2X 40hp Parsun with v low hours... bugger. 
I'm leaning towards a T Top - one that slides down. I might have to modify it slightly by 20mm as the lowered height will catch the garage door?


Posted By: kitno
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 1:21pm
I saw one on fb recently, 20k fully kitted out, 5 yrs old.

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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 1:25pm
Cheers kitno. Unfortunately I'm not on FB.


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 1:31pm
your welcome to come out for a fish/hoon in a couple of week's mate


Posted By: kitno
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 1:34pm
Yes please

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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 1:35pm
Thanks SK, let's get through this crazy lockdown....


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2021 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by kitno kitno wrote:

Yes please

haha yes! anytime your up in the 09 mate!


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 1:32pm
Why, hello there. In my absence these last few weeks, I've been busy taking delivery of my brand new SW4200! The good guys at Silverdale Marine did me a real good deal - thanks guys. Centre console, 50hp two stroke Tohatsu, anchor kit, boarding ladder & power switches - a shade over $20k. I've since added a 7" Lowrance GPS/fishfinder/depth thingy.
Still running the motor in, but have managed a blip up to 24.9knots (in some rather choppy swell).
Now busy building an Oceansouth T top.
Question: when screwing anything into the plastic (e.g.: floor), what's the best way? Drill, epoxy, SS screws? 


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 4:45pm
No need for epoxy, and it won't bond to the polyethylene without flame treatment and G-flex. Just screw straight into the plastic. A bit of water might seep around, so if this is going into the floor I'd get a plastic welder to weld some plates in for you to bolt or screw into. You don't want water in the foam. 

If it's light stuff into the sides or whatever then it doesn't really matter.  




Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2021 at 8:58pm
Cheers - good advice


Posted By: bigred1
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2021 at 7:10am
We have a Mac. I drill a small pilot hole and use stainless screws with a wider than normal gap between the threads. My handrails are just screwed and they get a fair workout sometimes with no issues. I’ve cut out a few inspections hatches to reach into places to put plates with nuts welded on mount things e.g. the rocket launcher. Then screwed a container onto the inside and used that as extra storage behind the inspection cover.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 9:23am
How do I publish a photo here?


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 2:14pm
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:

How do I publish a photo here?

Pierre, here is something Grunta put together a while back:
 
Just a reminder on how to post Images....
 
The site accepts image sizes up to 4meg but will automatically re-size them to 450pixels wide which takes a bit of time.  If you can resize any images you want to upload to 450 pixels wide first the process is a lot faster.
 
1. Click on a 'reply' button and then click the image icon in the reply box NB: there is no image icon in the 'Quick Reply' box.
 
1. You have a couple of options. You can insert a picture (click in you post where you want the image to go) from your list you have aleady uploaded to the Fishing Website server (see the list under File Name - click on the image from your list then go to step 6) or you can select a new picture from your hard drive by clicking the browse button......
 
3. If you are loading a new picture select the one you want from your hard drive by double clicking on it.
 
4. ClicYou'll then see this screen - click the 'Upload' button
 
 
5. You'll get this message - click OK. If you're uploading a large file it will take a while to upload and then be resized. Large files will take even longer on dial-up and may crash and burn..... not recomended.
 
 
6. You'll then see the picture you want to insert into your post. Just click OK and it's done
 
 
Job done!


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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 2:39pm


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 2:40pm
I guess Lowrance is onto it....


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 2:41pm
Thanks Smudge


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:




yess your away! looking forward to some boat pixs


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2021 at 6:14pm
Yepp looking forward to the boat pics Pierre'o! That's what we are here for 


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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 8:28am
After months of planning, the obvious choice for my situation is a SW4200. I chased many 2nd hand models and did a short test trip in a new one (with a 50hp four stroke). Settled on the best deal - Silverdale Marine - with a 50hp two stroke. Here she is in the dealer's yard:


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 10:30am
Towbar was next


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 10:33am
Back to Silverdale Marine to settle up and drag her away.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 10:36am
Added an anchor kit, boarding ladder & switchboard with fuses and USB charger. Including trailer rego and WOF. Dragged out of their yard for $20,862.00. V happy with that.


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 10:39am
Looks great Pierre'o. May you get heaps of pleasure out of her.

What is your tow vehicle?


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 10:54am
Kia Rio 1400cc. Tows more than adequately. I'm only 2.3km from the boat ramp and don't intend dragging her long distances. I've moved her about 95mm backwards on the trailer, so have v little downward weight on the hitch.


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 11:11am
awesome mate! should do a smart wave meet up on the water one day


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 11:19am
Got her home.......
Uh oh!



Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 3:19pm
Nice rig Pierre, you look like a happy man! Just chop a chunk out of the shed, then it will fit Big smile

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Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2021 at 6:34pm
deflate the tires hahaha


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 9:03am
Looks as if you pushed it backwards in , and dropped the jockey wheel right down it could just make it. ??

 Tidy fishing unit.


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 11:39am
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:

Got her home.......
Uh oh!

Honey we are moving


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2021 at 6:24pm
     


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 1:14pm
Winding the jockey wheel to it's lowest and dropping the grab handle 30mm did the trick.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2021 at 1:15pm
Next - courier delivery


Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 7:40pm




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Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 7:43pm


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Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 7:45pm


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Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 7:47pm


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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 7:48pm
Nice! is it brand new?


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 03 May 2021 at 8:02pm
Nice Worksux!

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Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 7:41am
New end of last year, A few pics with mods that I have done, they might help you.

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Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 04 May 2021 at 7:42am
Why thank you you old carrot slayer.

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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 2:55pm
Fitting the Oceansouth T top was next.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 2:58pm
Had to cut these legs slightly shorter - to the same height as the grab handle.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 3:01pm
And forfeit the two plastic connectors on the front legs because I wanted to follow the CC sides. Had to order, and wait for two sleeve connectors, but came out just peachy.



Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 3:02pm
The top is removable


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 3:04pm
Head height perfect


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 3:09pm
And here's the solution to prevent the top flying off...


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 5:37pm
And here's the solution to prevent the top flying off...

So the whole boat goes airbourne now?.Wink

 or be able to adjust angle.. more lift or more down force.. Getting into F1 motor racing technology now

Edit: A bit tongue in cheek... thinking about it, maybe not as silly as it sounds ???




Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 7:52pm
Smile


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 10 May 2021 at 9:29pm
Nice T-top. I've been thinking about something similar for the C17. Standard plans are cuddy, but a console offers more usable space. 


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 8:37am
What's a C17?


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 10:00am
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:

What's a C17?
https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/c17-new-project_topic132653.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/c17-new-project_topic132653.html


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Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 10:19am
Ahh, as someone who is addicted to boatbuilding videos on YouTube, I'll need to read your posts from page 1. Looking forward tom it.


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 12:21pm
Pierre, could you send me a PM please? I wanted to ask some questions about the T-top but fishing.net rejects your username as invalid if I try to send a PM.
It may work if I do a reply.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 12:54pm
Hi Keith, when you click on send private message for some reason a / appears. Take that out and the PM should go through

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Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 1:06pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:


Hi Keith, when you click on send private message for some reason a / appears. Take that out and the PM should go through


Thanks Smudge. I tried that and it also didn’t work. I also tried selecting send PM from Pierre’s profile and that also doesn’t work.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 11 May 2021 at 2:46pm
OK Pierre'o got the PM I sent him, one for Grunta to solve

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Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 5:38pm
Inspired by Pierre’o, who also pointed me to a good price, I took the plunge and put a T-top on my side-console Frewza.

Seeing I lost my rod holders which were in the front on the console, I added 4 to the T-top (an off-the-shelf option).

Still need to work out a solution for the vhf aerial.

My t-top is removable like Pierre’o if it needs to be garaged, but it fits fine in the shed.

Thanks Pierre’o.


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 8:48pm
ha brilliant name


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 10:22pm
Could you post a front picture, would be interested in seeing what they look like on a side console. One of the layout options I am considering myself.


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2021 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:

Could you post a front picture, would be interested in seeing what they look like on a side console. One of the layout options I am considering myself.


Slightly offset but firm.


I used a railblaza fitting between original console frame and front starboard t-top support to provide rigidity.



Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 3:23pm
Thanks for the kind words Keith C.
Also, thanks for Grunter for fixing my login..... I'm back


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 3:26pm
Outsmart has been in the water quite a few times. Not many fish, sadly. Will give it another go tomorrow - have the day off from work - yay


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 3:31pm
Looking proud on her trailer. Note the absence of the jockey wheel. 
I have a 12v powered jockey wheel to pull her into the garage. Works a treat.
Also installed a hinge in the trailer draw bar - heaps of extra space in the garage.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 3:32pm
Added rod holders to each side.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 3:33pm
Great to be afloat



Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 3:38pm
I will be installing this engine hour meter in the next few days. ($12 off TradeMe.)
Any tips or advice?


Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2021 at 6:03pm
Nice one Pierre, Outsmart looks really smart
Big smile


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2021 at 10:19am
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:

Looking proud on her trailer. Note the absence of the jockey wheel. 
I have a 12v powered jockey wheel to pull her into the garage. Works a treat.
Also installed a hinge in the trailer draw bar - heaps of extra space in the garage.

details on the electric jockey please


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 9:29am


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Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 9:30am


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Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 9:30am


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Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 9:31am


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Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 9:31am


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2021 at 11:42am
fantastic cheers


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2021 at 3:39pm
Fellow Smartwavers: how much fuel do you usually carry? And how many hours does this give you?

Currently I have the standard Tohatsu 23l tote tank and two 10l jerry cans. Rough calculations give me about 8l per hour. Is this the ball park?


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 10:10am
yeah I use roughly 8l at 15kts jumos higher with more throttle haha, my mate at army bay engineering makes alloy tanks to suit at 45l I think which I will upgrade too


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 11:20am
Thanks Spin,
is this alu tank under floor, or in the CC?


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 1:14pm
same spot as the tank normally sits just makes better use of the space


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 1:16pm
Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

same spot as the tank normally sits just makes better use of the space


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Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 1:17pm


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Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 1:20pm


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 1:39pm
Nice. How much are these going for?

My tote tank is in the centre console, rather than in the well at the stern; I wonder if there's any performance issues with the weight so far aft?


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 5:48pm
about 450 ish not bad for a custom job


Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2021 at 7:08pm
I use a couple of these in my tinny fit where my old 25 litre tote tank was

https://www.burnsco.co.nz/fuel-tank-45l-scepter-tall" rel="nofollow - https://www.burnsco.co.nz/fuel-tank-45l-scepter-tall


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2021 at 11:17am
Nice one! The Burnsco website says this 45l tank is 363mm x 572mm x 345mm high. I took rough measurements of the well between the stern seats on OutSmart last night: 370mm wide x 570mm long by 400mm high. Looks like the well was purpose made for these tanks - hahahaha

I'll borrow one from my local Burnsco to ensure exact fit, but am quite positive about it. This will give 45l plus 23l - plenty for a longer trip.


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 7:46am
That's 68L, more as that's a nominal capacity not the actual capacity. I make that as a 240km range using SpinKings numbers. Going on the thirds rule, that's 80km out, 80km back and 80km reserve.

Where exactly are you likely to use that much? I would have thought a pair of 23L tanks easier to manage. 


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 9:27am
I officially made 10 hrs last night and and I have used 74.6 litres, good average


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 9:28am
Originally posted by OneWayTraffic OneWayTraffic wrote:

That's 68L, more as that's a nominal capacity not the actual capacity. I make that as a 240km range using SpinKings numbers. Going on the thirds rule, that's 80km out, 80km back and 80km reserve.

Where exactly are you likely to use that much? I would have thought a pair of 23L tanks easier to manage. 
barrier, little barrier, aldermans,


Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2021 at 10:23am
Originally posted by Pierre'o Pierre'o wrote:

Nice one! The Burnsco website says this 45l tank is 363mm x 572mm x 345mm high. I took rough measurements of the well between the stern seats on OutSmart last night: 370mm wide x 570mm long by 400mm high. Looks like the well was purpose made for these tanks - hahahaha

I'll borrow one from my local Burnsco to ensure exact fit, but am quite positive about it. This will give 45l plus 23l - plenty for a longer trip.
cool I hope it fits, I have 2 in my boat with a 3 way ball valve so I can switch between them.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2021 at 8:15am
Hahahahaha... I installed this little gem on Friday evening.
Had a few hours on the water on Saturday and now the meter is blank. Guess $12 wasted.


Posted By: Pierre'o
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2021 at 8:22am



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