I agree but it is still going to a long haul for employment. Hard to beat the chinaman, when you only have to pay a dime for a days labor, so to speak.

All the states that are run by the democrats are the ones with the highest breakdown of law and order. 

Creepy Joe has been in politics for a long time and achieved nothing.

I reckon he’s created few of his own swamps, as in dark murky waters.

Americans could do better. He’s proven himself to be an idiot although a lot stubborn stuff you might admire, but still not up to job and completely pathologically self absorbed by his own ego,....and massively ignorant=dangerous.

Possibly a complete fascist racist to boot.  Hasn’t proven otherwise to date. Not really should be leader of free world if is such a thing anymore.

Will he win ... who knows. He’s already indicated will not accept the decision if goes against him. Nutcase.

 

Eh ! Just google Trump and Russia ?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials

Being old school I personally don't agree with his political style but it is clear that social media will get you more of an audience and in today's world and that's where you need to be.  The media have been relentless in crucifying him throughout his term as President and at times perhaps rightly so.  I recall comments soon after his election from the media that he won't last till Xmas and other celebrities saying they would leave USA if he remained President.  Where are they now, all still in USA.

He's got balls, some business sense and not afraid to rattle a few cages.  For that he gets my vote.

If he was a candidate in the upcoming NZ election I'd vote for him before your PM of kindness Jacinda.

I know who my Texas based sister-in-law for 15+ years is voting for and it's not for Biden.     

That’s actually highly inaccurate, he lost the popular vote to Hillary Clinton by couple of million votes. He won in electoral college because of states that voted for him, which is rigged in republicans favour.

But we can always rewrite history if maths don’t work for you.

Maths works for me.  I stand corrected, in 2016 Hillary Clinton polled 48.2% of the popular vote vs Donald Trump polling 46.1%.  Is it rigged in the Republican's favour as you say ........... ??

In the 2017 NZ election Labour polled 36.89% of the popular vote vs National polling 44.45%.  Some may say it's rigged ......... ?? 

You might be surprised what side I am actually voting for in NZ election. Act Voter this time. But truth is actually a good starting point. And probably why they’ve gone up in polls I suspect. Along with actually havIng policy reflecting their values... individual choice, not having to be relentlessly taxed for effort, less regulation.. smaller government, actually believe in charity as well as people allowed to get ahead but not penalising those who have and mainly worked and saved/invested hard.  Apologies in advance if you are supporting NZ First. Dead ducks, and should never stymied cameras on com boats... but I am biased.

Yet another truth... And probably agree based on if NBA is anything to go on. Was it 20% players said voted last time?

But both parties just spend time personally attacking each other and each other’s fake news ha.

Thinking it’s Trumos to lose on this day.

.In the 2017 NZ election Labour polled 36.89% of the popular vote vs National polling 44.45%.  Some may say it's rigged ......... ?? ......

Huge difference surprised it needs explaining. 

NZ has a MMP voting system. Labour added other parties and their votes to their total till nationals votes were smaller than the kiwis who voted against them. So labour and it’s partner parties won as more people voted for them.  The old first past the post was as unfair as the yanks system. Say National got 30% labour 29% act 12% greens 20% nz first 9% New Zealand would have been governed by a party 70% of kiwis didn’t vote to lead them. Very unfair. 

America’s flawed voting system I’m guessing has its inception back in the day when the states weren’t united and self ruled with their own choice of currency etc. 

Using your percentages above and applying the MMP system if ACT and the Greens formed an alliance and NZ First failed to align with any party then NZ would be governed by parties that 68% of NZers didn't vote for.  Is that fairer .... ?

If the president race was based on illegible sentences Biden would win hands down. Trump has filled YouTube with clips of his made up words and muddled answers. They are both in their 70s so forgiven it must be stressful as under the lights And cameras with the world willing you to slip up.

I remember our big Pacific brothers PNG (over 8 million population) had two Prime Ministers for over 6 months. One controlled the army the other controlled the police.  Made the shoot outs next level with high powered rifles blasting.

There will be stacks of other examples.

But back to topic, I pick Trump to win the election. Unfortunately what we are seeing over there is major intimidation from the left/Antifa/BLM/spoiled white college kids to try and get people to vote left. The riots if/when Trump gets reelected will be unreal.

Biden also referred to Trump as Abraham Lincoln in one of the debates  "Abraham Lincoln here is one of the most racist presidents we've had in modern history"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBaiSIhmIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhqqBaRH0Tw

ah wtf Joe.

Almost 50 years in politics, 8 years as VP and has done sweet F all for the American people.

....and his VP pick Kamala Harris, don't get me started on her track record...

to quote one Gad Saad -

You are right Steps, a good team around any president that is a team player will run rings around constant lying and incompetence.  Stumbling on words doesn’t make you a bad decision maker.  Einstein was a bad dyslexic. He wasn’t shouted down because of it and changed the word. 

BLM, the organization who's founders openly describe themselves as trained marxists......

There has been looting and violent riots from BLM members or supporters, to say that it's just Trump spin is a cop out. I personally know people who have seen it first hand over there.

Does that mean anyone who utters the phrase "black lives matter" like the celebs you mentioned are terrorists, no. But to say it's not a thing and paint it as being all peaceful is b.s.

Then again you did just use Albert Einstein as an example of why Joe Biden isn't a complete numpty Reel Deal, wow.

Then we've got another member in this thread who not long ago compared Robert Muldoon and Donald Trump to Idi Amin and Adolf Hilter as being one in the same.

Riiight......lol

Re BLM it seems to be forgotten it’s about police treating blacks badly and yes they treat white badly but more often black with them killing them while engaging them often with out cause of arrest. I think most reasonable people think people shouldn’t be killed if avoidable. That’s why the millions around the world support BLM. A few twats who went too far burning and rioting like football hooligans should be dealt with. It’s not or wasn’t white verses black until orange little hands got involved. 

Reel Deal "Einstein was a bad dyslexic. He wasn’t shouted down because of it and changed the word."

Call that whatever you will but you basically used Einstein as an example of why Joe Biden may/might not be a mess as was being said by other members. There's a big difference between stumbling on the odd word, mispronouncing words or names, using a few too many ums or oh's vs confusing people on a regular basis.

Referring to Trump as Bush and Lincoln within a couple of day time span just this week...

"i have never said i oppose fracking"   ....ok Joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrEh9_5_9I

You know he had brain surgery in the late 80's right....

The statistics don't actually support what you just said re U.S police interactions and BLM-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yITK_Bm78mI&t=242s

Take a look if you actually want to educate yourself on the topic - BLM is a domestic terrorist organization-change my mind.

But i forgot "Orange man bad"   you know Donald Trump, that racist guy who wasn't "racist" until he decided to run for president

The "racist" guy who has pardoned a whole heap of African Americans wrongfully convicted that Obama and Biden obviously didn't give two sh*ts about.

Until "little orange hands" wow never heard that one before. Great well thought out argument.

I've always found it a tad ironic (when you see the people saying it) trying to use that as an insult towards a guy who's 6'3 and has a bangin wife who's 20 something years younger than him.

Again with BLM you point out some Americans prob 1% of the 10s of thousands (A probable underestimate but I say when im guessing) that marched in cities in many countries around the world Rioted. Someone stole some money, some say I hate cops kill them or take their pay away...how’s does that effect the multi cultural families and independent citizens in their thousands who marched across Australia, Canada, England etc.

Did they all riot ? Steal? Want to kill cops ?

. If answer is no. You can’t say all BLM supporters are terrorists intact most are normal people maybe your neighbour, your boss, your rubbish collection guy who don’t like seeing black people in the USA treated worse than other nationalities. All lives matter including black lives and as blacks are getting killed when they shouldn’t, the chant is BLM

Never did, actually said the opposite - as per one of my previous posts:

My understanding re BLM isn’t about who is killed the most by police so unsure the reliance of those numbers. It’s the frequency of black people are killed in unnecessary manner. And the cover up by police via disturbing scene lying, turning off cameras, saying they were attacked without camera on and against witness statements. Rubber stamped to terrorise. 

The 1% rioting in a few towns in the USA I don’t understand as they are destroying their own neighbourhoods but saw some rioter say they don’t own any of it because of them suffering institutional racisim. I like know one here has walked in their shoes so can only have a observing opinion which has little value.

Sad president orange little hands doesn’t say we are one country. We will revisit the cases highlighted by BLM but we need to treat each other with respect and go visit the families and show empathy. 

Feel sorry for USA. At a time president orange little hands says he is sorry for nz as covid here is terrible and USA is lucky not to be as bad as nz haha haha 

Reel Deal -  You seem to have a narrative firmly fixed in your mind and no matter what evidence is presented you keep going back to the same false narrative. None of the evidence really supports what you keep saying, about black people being killed by police in the U.S.

If you go through the data the number of unjustified killings of black people by police in the U.S is actually pretty small(that's not to say that it's not a thing or that even 1 is fine) but the vast majority of times someone is shot by police in the US it is deemed to be justified regardless of race. There is a difference between the two.

The whole U.S vs NZ thing? really. Yeah it's not like the U.S have ever saved our bacon.....

It's not like the U.S has influenced modern western society and culture in a positive way more than any other single nation post ww2.

Think of music, movies, tech, all sorts of innovation etc. Where are all the big tech giants from, where did all the big bands of the last 70 years go to make it big etc etc.

Largest economy in the world, ever. A nation with land borders and 350,000,000+ people. Don't get me wrong of course there's things wrong with the U.S as a nation, i'm not saying there isn't.

But hey, lets compare the U.S to a small island nation at the bottom of the world that no one(that's how you actually spell no one) even gives a toss about.

To even compare the two is utterly naive and ignorant.

Yeah i bet Cindys job and what she has to deal with is on par what the president of the U.S has to deal with(whoever that is or may be).

Your hatred of a certain orange man seems to blind you, massively.

I'm not saying one should like they guy, i couldn't care less.

I get why he rubs some people the wrong way.

But to ignore all the areas where he has bettered the previous administration of Obama and Biden is just plain stupid.

I do think there are some seriously bad players at work pulling strings to inflame and divide the US. From the right as well as the left, but it's the lefties who are the ones burning, looting and rioting in the cities over there.

Scary article I just read about the soaring weapons sales in the US right now - apparently ~20% of people surveyed on both sides indicated that violence would be somewhat justified if their side loses.

I'm certainly glad we don't have such division over here (or the amount of weapons).

We may not have the weapons, however we are being deliberately divided. Programs of racial division are well and truly enshrined, implemented and promoted within our political/societal system.

New Zealand as a whole seems to accept it and even applaud the institutionalized apartheid and racism practiced in this country.

We may not have the weapons, however we are being deliberately divided. Programs of racial division are well and truly enshrined, implemented and promoted within our political/societal system.

New Zealand as a whole seems to accept it and even applaud the institutionalized apartheid and racism practiced in this country.

Oh, 100% agree. It is shameful how successive governments - on both sides of the political spectrum - allow and/or encourage this division. The media are just as guilty. 

But by less division over here I was more meaning that lefties and righties can still sit and have a beer together without things getting nasty. I don't really care how anyone votes - however much I may disagree with their choice - as long as they do vote. I'll accept whatever results and bite my tongue if necessary.

Thanks for calling out the BS but you left out the best part.  Reportedly the computer service guy doesn’t see too well so didn’t know whether it was Hunter or not who gave him the laptop.  The link is because much later he noticed a Beau Biden sticker on it.

There are opinions on this site that just make you wonder, probably some of the 20,000 who voted for Billy TK and co.

On another note. The census results get released end of this week, should be interesting.

TBH none of us really know the actual truth about the Biden thing.

To act like we know for certain either way is just silly.

With that being said if you haven't watched the Tony Bobulinski interview which came out yesterday might pay to. Voice recordings and text messages from Hunter Biden etc Somewhat intriguing whatever side of the fence you're sitting on.

Got to love how the left and the mainstream media pushed the Trump Russia thing with a massive lack of evidence. Which turned out to be b.s but silent on this because they know it'l ruin Joes campaign.

A tad reminiscent of the whole Hillary email thing and the 2016 election.

Either way whatever happens next week is going to be interesting.

More false statements from you Reel Deal, just like before when myself and other members made valid points about Biden, Trump, BLM, The U.S.

But you just put your orange man bad blinders on, bury your head in the sand because your mind is already made up no matter what anyone else says.

Name the 6 people, their relationship or position with Donald Trump and how they colluded with Russia......

Oh and if you say Roger Stone that proves you haven't done any real research into the topic..... which is pretty obvious since you just said you need to google it.

Even then, 5 more..... c,mon

Lol the Gaurdian

I guess this headline sums it up

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/11/poorly-educated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house" rel="nofollow - https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/11/poorly-educated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house

I’m not a Biden or trump supporter but fascinating the BS being peddled by both side as that’s politics. But Orange little hands is next level. This is fun 

Reel Deal wrote: so publicaly ranted large media who could be sued if incorrect is lying.

No where in that Guardian article (if you can call it that) does it state that those people were charged and convicted of colluding with Russia.

Heck it doesn't even state what it was they were convicted of.

Hence the Guardian can't be sued for stating that, because they never did say that about those people....

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/dec/05/robert-mueller-who-charged-list-trump-russia-inquiry-latest-indictments-flynn-manafort-cohen-what-happens-next?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

So who were these 6 people who were convicted and jailed for colluding with Russia as you said? because it certainly wasn't the people you referenced.

I'm not at all stating they weren't convicted, or at least charged with various blue collar crimes. But being jailed for colluding with Russia is simply not the case. That's a fact

Hey if you've got legit evidence that goes against the court documents or legal records saying otherwise feel free to share that with the world.

Honest question Reel Deal (i know it's obviously hard for you to be honest).

But are you just doing this to get a kick? to be a troll?

You're stating things over and over that are factually incorrect.

Even when you try to provide evidence to support your argument the evidence actually goes against what you are saying - case in point the Guardian article that doesn't state any particular person colluded with Russia, but that's evidence to you

I'm pretty sure 3x legal investigations saying no collusion hold more weight than a Guardian article NOT stating anyone colluded with Russia.lol.

It's obvious you are somewhat delusional and suffering from ostrich parasitic syndrome so i'm off to go do something more worthwhile with my time, laters.

Your personal attacks I find funny. I have a sister like that when she got nothing. It appears to me anything against trump is a hoax or fake news. President proud boys says the same.

Is I said I don’t support trump or Biden but Biden supporters are nicer from my exposure. 

I think the orange little hands article on uneducated voters hits the mark. 

Fishy, do you have to be such a cock with your delivery? Yeah, we know you're smart, no need to be so arrogant. A prime example is your criticism of a grammatical error - ohhh no! No space between no & one.  FFS man, if you're going to be a spelling cop just to be a smartarse at least sort your own act out.
 

Unfortunately despite the information being readily available to anyone actually wanting to know what actually happened those who shout the loudest are usually wrong. 

Trump does and did claim that the Mueller report exonerated him as seen here

https://apnews.com/article/130932b573664ea5a4d186f752bb8d50" rel="nofollow - https://apnews.com/article/130932b573664ea5a4d186f752bb8d50

Of course that is not correct. You can all read what Mueller concluded below. 

Of course it isn’t disrespectful. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. 

Sure it doesn’t mean everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 is uneducated. It just means that Trump supporters are on average significantly less likely to be well educated

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/11/poorly-educated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house" rel="nofollow - https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/11/11/poorly-educated-voters-hold-the-keys-to-the-white-house

Smudge,

whippersnappyr-

So where in the Mueller Report does it say the Trump Campaign was found to have colluded with Russia? and who as part of the Trump campaign found to have done so?

Who was charged and convicted of colluding with Russia?
What's that, it doesn't, and no member of the Trump campaign has been charged and convicted of colluding with Russia as was stated by Reel Deal.
I'm still waiting to hear the names of these 6 people who were convicted of Russian collusion?

A few simple questions that neither of you can answer. As you were though.

QED

Collusion is not a crime. If you are going to try to influence others it helps to have some inkling of what you’re talking about. 

Anyway I’m not here to run rings around you. There are other members who may have more open minds.

As a side note, the whole 'liberal' vs 'conservative' thing in 2020 is an absolute have.

Most US 'liberals' aren't liberals in the true sense, 1960's hipi sense.

Liberal - Liberty - Freedom.   Liberal doesn't mean censoring people, cancel culture, identity politics etc like the left pushes every chance it gets.

On the 'conservative' side of things it's becoming an ever shrinking portion of the right. Most voting right of centre be it in the U.S or NZ aren't very conservative in the social sense, church, god, hate the gays, evolution isn't a thing etc. Most are far more libertarian or fiscally conservative for individual rights and the constitution.

Obviously i'm not saying full bore bible bashing conservatives aren't a thing but it's certainly not the vast majority of people voting right of centre.

A national led government(supposedly a centre right party, debatable in recent times imo but that's a whole other thing) legalized gay marriage in NZ in 2013 if memory serves me right.

Hillary Clinton was opposed to it up until the last few years and her husband even signed a bill prohibiting it as president. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/hillary-clinton-had-the-chance-to-make-gay-rights-history-she-refused/2016/08/28/843a5cfc-58cf-11e6-9767-f6c947fd0cb8_story.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/hillary-clinton-had-the-chance-to-make-gay-rights-history-she-refused/2016/08/28/843a5cfc-58cf-11e6-9767-f6c947fd0cb8_story.html

Doesn't seem very 'liberal' for a democrat....

See how the whole painting anyone who votes for candidate x or y as then being mutually exclusive to either the 'liberal' or 'conservative' label doesn't really stack up.

Reel Deal stated people had been jailed for Russian collusion.

I disagreed and asked for names and what they were convicted of pertaining to collusion with Russia.

You are correct in saying collusion itself would not be what one would be charged with(if that's what you're getting at) however the various investigations were of a criminal nature, to investigate if crimes had been committed. If so one would then be charged with what is applicable under U.S law. No crimes were found to have been committed as per the Mueller investigation and the previous two investigations. That's not my opinion, it literally says it in the screenshot you posted.

Run rings around me? Haha please. You mean like the previous three times you tried righto. Work on running to your letter box and back first eh.

(Smudge i know that goes against what i said about playing nice but it is proportionate to the post being replied to IMO)

That's awesome buddy. You do that I won't reach into my trove of eloquent words any more. 

One thing though Fishy, it's pretty hard for me to believe you think of others as trolls, maybe it's just that inter-generational thing you seem to be so fond of.

As expected the media continue to be relentless on the Trump camp.  I expect they are disappointed and frustrated that despite their best efforts they have been unable to sway the American public over the last 4 years.

Either way I expect the courts to become involved.  After all it is America.      

8?

More like 5 or 6  of which Trump was leading 5 of when they pulled the pin and decided to take their ball and run. Was pretty obvious they were going to try something like this, and the stupid msm act as though they are the ones who declare who is president

The same people who for hours and hours wouldn't put Texas up as red lol

On another note was interesting to watch the odds go from $2.60 for Trump and $1.20ish for Biden then switch after Trump got Florida to over $4 for Biden at one point. Obviously settled a bit now $2.60 Biden and $1.50 for Trump as the favourite.