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Topic: I find this disturbing
Posted By: G R
Subject: I find this disturbing
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 10:00am
I was going to vote yes to this new law, but after taking the test and being horrified at the reality of the law i have decided "NO WAY"

https://www.votesafe.nz/quiz?fbclid=IwAR24gpa9rpdSg4IB0Y37Nb0uKONjYs8IPzSV4hRG7zaf4wj5PmiRG9UtbuY" rel="nofollow - https://www.votesafe.nz/quiz?fbclid=IwAR24gpa9rpdSg4IB0Y37Nb0uKONjYs8IPzSV4hRG7zaf4wj5PmiRG9UtbuY



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Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 10:58am
That's way more messed up than I thought


Posted By: Otto
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 12:11pm
Likewise, now i'm back to................


Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 12:14pm
even more disturbing than i thought. people playing god when they are not god.



Posted By: whippersnappyr
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 1:03pm
I got 8 out of 10. Is that good?


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 1:25pm
Ha! I got 9/10. Nothing to see here.


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 1:32pm
yeah I got 5/10 I thought they had drafted a new bill that fixed all those issues... I thought I was a vote yes...


Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 1:57pm
3/10 !!


Posted By: whippersnappyr
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 3:11pm
You have to take a balanced view I guess.  The quiz after all is propaganda from the no vote campaign


Posted By: taurangatroutmaster
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 3:20pm
4/10


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 3:30pm
7/10, I chose some of the looney answers. The one I got wrong that surprised me most was about the bill making it legal to turn off life support

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Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 3:41pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

The one I got wrong that surprised me most was about the bill making it legal to turn off life support

We do it all the time. It's not illegal at present. That question was the least controversial to me.  


Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 4:27pm
Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

The one I got wrong that surprised me most was about the bill making it legal to turn off life support

We do it all the time. It's not illegal at present. That question was the least controversial to me.  

Yes, but Andrew don't you think you are perhaps conditioned and cold towards this? Because with your profession you deal with the possibility of death every day?


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"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 4:38pm
Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

The one I got wrong that surprised me most was about the bill making it legal to turn off life support


We do it all the time. It's not illegal at present. That question was the least controversial to me.  


Yes, but Andrew don't you think you are perhaps conditioned and cold towards this? Because with your profession you deal with the possibility of death every day?


Probably, but I like to think of myself as more pragmatic than cold. There's a lot to be said for a good death. I've seen a lot of not so good deaths and it ain't pretty.


Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 4:47pm
Well done for completing the Quiz! You scored 2 out of 10!



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Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56


Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 4:55pm
Even though its not legal,I believe what or has taken place works rather well.A friends wife who had zero chance of recovery,constant pain for months,getting close to death,rang doctor who said give 2 at night time and I will leave the bottle here.She passed that night.




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Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56


Posted By: Downtown
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 5:01pm
Why would you change your decision based on a bad test score that just shows that you need to do some reading up before voting day. As others have said this has been put out there by the vote no team and is trying to get people leaning that way. Read into it properly(not Facebook or vote no quiz)and make up your mind.


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 6:02pm
Go with your gut feeling not silly tests.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2020 at 9:06pm
Not going to change my decision, pro euthanasia here

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Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 10:30am
Got 7  same as Smudge
 My old man died slow..me a 16yr old kid changing nappies , helping my mum, stopping him pulling cathators out, and holding down when out back in...We just watched him die slow horrible.
 Mother died sudden quick and was healthy... that was the way to go.
 As did my grandfather...after a hip opp, heart gave out..
 Grandmother , gut cancer, again that was nasty.. sitting by here bed in the days weeks before she died, taking teaspoons of broth..
Will never forget hers saying several times. " I have had a great life, great life, a great husband and father of my children, great children and grandchilren...I wish God would hurry up and take me"...
And I had to say .. " yes I think so to"
 And she smiled very deeply..

Back in those days , doctors where able to over supply morphine..  these days with records, computers they cant..
 So now because of PC BS and PC feel good attitudes cause we pass our old people onto there to look after while they draw out their death. 
We need new laws to do what has been done gently and quietly for centuries.


Posted By: DDO
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 1:32pm
Having done the quiz and reviewed the Bill itself, the quiz is a bit disingenuous.

The question of does the Doctor have to have met the person requesting Assisting dying is biased badly.

Define "met"?

The attending medical practitioner must be present when the person requesting Assisting Dying signs and dates the form. Therefore they have met. The attending medical practitioner is also allowed to conscientiously object, but they have to inform the person that it is their right to ask the SCENZ Group for the name and contact details of a replacement medical practitioner...

Do they require a long term relationship with the person and a complete overview of that person's situation? No.. but the quiz defines that being a requirement of "met"..

The quiz has an agenda. Bear that in mind if you do it. 

The Chairperson of the campaign is someone I've known. Nice guy. I support debate on such an issue. If anything at least it questions people on what they're actually voting for.
I don't support preying on the uninformed with quizzes that are designed to instill fear and misunderstanding. The Bill is there, online for all to access...


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 7:11pm
Steps your response saddened me,that’s a lot to be expected from a young man and carry around. I’m sorry to hear about it. 

Yes death ain’t all bad if it was why does everyone do it...


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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2020 at 8:26pm
Yes Steps that is hard.

My nan passed away last year and she fought for every last breath even though she knew she was going. She told my brother she did not wanna die as she wanted to help the family still after years of doing it.
She had to be wrenched from life even after years of dialysis and various painful conditions.

But it is not like that for everyone and I respect that too. Hard choice for me.

Unlike the other one lmao


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2020 at 9:32am
Steps your response saddened me,that’s a lot to be expected from a young man and carry around. I’m sorry to hear about it.

Thankyou for the thought m8 ...
But...with all due respect.
Look its the story.. as to carry around.. that is what life was like 50 odd yrs ago...you did what had to and moved on.
 It wasnt at the time and still is not about me.. its about them

And 'hard' by the time I was about 20 all my family parents, grandparents  where dead..no inheritance just me . Want till yrs later where talking about it over a few drinks and someone said, "Oh an orphan"  the concept had never occurred to me.

Maybe I does give me, explains a rather a black and white view on many things.. ppl break lockdown, bus ticket fines, 'education' and 're education ' without consequences rather law enforcement..
But again.. I feel the world needs to harden up...nurse and bury your own dead, type of thing.. rather than pas the responsibility of stuff off to others.






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