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Sharks for bait?

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Category: Saltwater Fishing
Forum Name: The Captain Morgan Briny Bar
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Printed Date: 19 Sep 2019 at 5:49am


Topic: Sharks for bait?
Posted By: MightyBoosh
Subject: Sharks for bait?
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 2:02pm
Something for the hapuka/bass fishermen.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/newsbeat-48952131/wreckfish-the-fish-that-gobbles-up-unsuspecting-sharks" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.com/news/av/newsbeat-48952131/wreckfish-the-fish-that-gobbles-up-unsuspecting-sharks



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Posted By: fish-feeder
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 2:13pm
I put a torpedo out yesterday with a friend......used mullet,squid and spotty dog as bait. 2 6lb snaps 1 gurnard and it was all caught on spotty. Second set,2 smaller snaps,2 gurnard aand a jd,again all caught on spotty.

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Posted By: Snappa Geoff
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 2:25pm
The odd time over the years when desperate for good Baitfish out there have filleted and skinned Grey Sharks, cut into long strips and caught good Snaps Straylining. Also if your targeting a big Snap and have Gurnard only in the bin try two fillets skin to skin on a two hook Strayline rig. Caught alot this methodWink


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 2:39pm
Originally posted by Snappa Geoff Snappa Geoff wrote:

The odd time over the years when desperate for good Baitfish out there have filleted and skinned Grey Sharks, cut into long strips and caught good Snaps Straylining. Also if your targeting a big Snap and have Gurnard only in the bin try two fillets skin to skin on a two hook Strayline rig. Caught alot this methodWink
 
Don't tell anyone Geoff but we have used gurnard successfully as snapper bait too. Not tried shark ever but on the day any bait can work


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Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 3:17pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by Snappa Geoff Snappa Geoff wrote:

Also if your targeting a big Snap and have Gurnard only in the bin try two fillets skin to skin on a two hook Strayline rig. Caught alot this methodWink
 
Don't tell anyone Geoff but we have used gurnard successfully as snapper bait too. Not tried shark ever but on the day any bait can work
 
Seems crazy given gurnard are superior to eat, smudge you surprised me. Shark into gurnard sounds awesome Geoff, gurnard into snapper seems like sacrilege. All I know is blue cod love eating their mates, and nothing apart from stingray eats snapper...Crayfish well Wink


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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 4:20pm
Food is food to all who eat meat.

Smudge and snap Geoff,
A crying shame you would use a superior eating fish to catch an inferior one.

And Smudge, shame shame.
I suspect your large record gurnard catches were caught on gurnard.
Your secrets out.

Damn cannibal fish they'll eat anything.

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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 4:55pm
Spiny dogfish - the scourge of all deep drop fisherman here in WA. They seem to be in plague proportions at times. I have filleted them using a whole fillet as bait when targeting Blue-Eye Trevalla (Bluenose) with success.


Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by CrayZfish CrayZfish wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by Snappa Geoff Snappa Geoff wrote:

Also if your targeting a big Snap and have Gurnard only in the bin try two fillets skin to skin on a two hook Strayline rig. Caught alot this methodWink
 
Don't tell anyone Geoff but we have used gurnard successfully as snapper bait too. Not tried shark ever but on the day any bait can work
 
Seems crazy given gurnard are superior to eat, smudge you surprised me. Shark into gurnard sounds awesome Geoff, gurnard into snapper seems like sacrilege. All I know is blue cod love eating their mates, and nothing apart from stingray eats snapper...Crayfish well Wink
Snapper will eat snapper, 

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Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 5:40pm
JDs will eat baby snapper. I had a discussion with a buddy the other day about the legality of using undersize fish for bait. Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure it's illegal? 


Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure it's illegal? 

Using undersize fish for bait is illegal.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 6:16pm
Yes you can not use undersized fish for bait.

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Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: Snappa Geoff
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by MATTOO MATTOO wrote:

Food is food to all who eat meat.

Smudge and snap Geoff,
A crying shame you would use a superior eating fish to catch an inferior one.

And Smudge, shame shame.
I suspect your large record gurnard catches were caught on gurnard.
Your secrets out.

Damn cannibal fish they'll eat anything.
I knew I'd cop a bit of stick MATTOO! Eating wise I rate Snapper superior but enjoy Gurnard skin on. Iv'e also caught a Snapper on  Skinned Possum back leg meat once LOL  


Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure it's illegal? 

Using undersize fish for bait is illegal.

OK, thanks for clarification. 


Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 7:26pm
Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

JDs will eat baby snapper. I had a discussion with a buddy the other day about the legality of using undersize fish for bait. Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure it's illegal? 

Some years ago a popular fishing personality who used to regularly clean up the Kingfish section of many big money comps, got found out that he was using baby trevally for his live baits...EmbarrassedOuch


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Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 7:30pm
] [/QUOTE] I knew I'd cop a bit of stick MATTOO! Eating wise I rate Snapper superior but enjoy Gurnard skin on. Iv'e also caught a Snapper on  Skinned Possum back leg meat once LOL  [/QUOTE] Thats awesome Geoff wasn't your leftover lunch was it. Somewhere down your way was a cafe famous for their possum pies.😅

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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 8:21pm
This begs the question of when as often happens a undersize snapper is hooked & is immediately swallowed by a JD before the snapper can be wound up & released.
 
In such an instance can the JD be kept or should it be released due to having been caught with an undersize live bait albeit unintentionally ??
Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure it's illegal? 

Using undersize fish for bait is illegal.

OK, thanks for clarification. 


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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 8:56pm
Originally posted by bazza bazza wrote:

This begs the question of when as often happens a undersize snapper is hooked & is immediately swallowed by a JD before the snapper can be wound up & released.
 
In such an instance can the JD be kept or should it be released due to having been caught with an undersize live bait albeit unintentionally ??
Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

Originally posted by MightyBoosh MightyBoosh wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm not sure it's illegal? 

Using undersize fish for bait is illegal.


OK, thanks for clarification. 


Given that scenario Bazza I'd be keeping the JD and returning the undersize snapper to the water, dead or alive.
I would like to think that as there was no intent to use an undersize bait common sense would prevail but let's not get side tracked by common sense.


Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 10:36am
Can now fully understand why smudge and others use gurnard for bait, despite gurnard being a nice eating fish imo.

Quote. Newzealand sea anglers guide, Raymond Doogue and John Moreland. 1960

Red Gurnard.

Quote. " It would be surprising if anyone went after these fish for their eating qualities as they are a relatively poor food fish or bait fish.,being inclined to dryness and extremely bony"
How perception changes  with time.
Similar things were said about Kahawai-dry and tough.
Of course most people who said this about kahawai had never even tried them.
To be fair on smudge i think he probably uses only big tough gurnard over a meter long for bait and keeps those small sweet  50cm jobs for the dinner table.


Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 10:45am
In the USA, gurnard are called sea robin and are almost universally regarded as "trash fish".



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