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Unweighted softies

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Category: Saltwater Fishing
Forum Name: Soft Bait Fishing
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Printed Date: 16 Dec 2019 at 10:41pm


Topic: Unweighted softies
Posted By: MightyBoosh
Subject: Unweighted softies
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 12:09pm
Weather is awful. I'm bored. Making fishing plans. 

Anyone had luck throwing unweighted softies around the shallows or wash. I'm thinking of the new big Gulps, the 10inch eel and the King Shrimp. Should have enough weight to cast a decent distance without the addition of a jig head?



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Posted By: Ecko
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 12:37pm
Haven't tried but piqued curiosity.
How would you rig it



Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 3:57pm
Big worm hook with screw. I have some Owner Beast hooks sat in the garage looking for a purpose.


Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 5:28pm
Andrew not being a Doubting Thomas but my thoughts are;

In winter fish are lethargic, move slowand don't need to eat daily, those that do or want to bite a lure will generally only do so if they are confident in nailing it without wasting energy. And that is why smaller lures work best in the winter.

However, if you are over rocky coastal reefy area then you may entice a big snap or JD from out of the weed with the large slow moving eel type lures.

I change from braid to light mono in the winter as a lot of fish are very shy to the bite and touch of a rod/line flick/movement... with braid you might feel and detect every bite, but so can shy fish. So I find light mono with some elasticity and circle hooks really help on slow days with a tiny bite. Some of those tiny touches and bites have turned out to be 10-12lbers so patience is a virtue.

May be even a slug gun lead pallet with a hole drilled in it will give some weight to the rig or some solder wrapped around the top/eye area... just lazy thoughts.


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Posted By: Polar_Kiwis
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 5:49pm
Yep. 1/8oz 3/0 hooks. Bit hard to find them. I use lightest braid possible and usually 16lb leader. Love catching fish in the shallows 2-4m. Usually have to keep lure moving to keep off the bottom. Bigger softies help with the casting.

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Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 7:01pm
Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

Andrew not being a Doubting Thomas but my thoughts are;

In winter fish are lethargic, move slowand don't need to eat daily, those that do or want to bite a lure will generally only do so if they are confident in nailing it without wasting energy. And that is why smaller lures work best in the winter.

However, if you are over rocky coastal reefy area then you may entice a big snap or JD from out of the weed with the large slow moving eel type lures.

I change from braid to light mono in the winter as a lot of fish are very shy to the bite and touch of a rod/line flick/movement... with braid you might feel and detect every bite, but so can shy fish. So I find light mono with some elasticity and circle hooks really help on slow days with a tiny bite. Some of those tiny touches and bites have turned out to be 10-12lbers so patience is a virtue.

May be even a slug gun lead pallet with a hole drilled in it will give some weight to the rig or some solder wrapped around the top/eye area... just lazy thoughts.

All thoughts good. Agree with you about smaller lures in winter. My prediction with those big Gulps is that they will get pecked to death by small snapper and leatherjackets, but may give it a go just for fun.


Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 7:05pm
Originally posted by Polar_Kiwis Polar_Kiwis wrote:

Yep. 1/8oz 3/0 hooks. Bit hard to find them. I use lightest braid possible and usually 16lb leader. Love catching fish in the shallows 2-4m. Usually have to keep lure moving to keep off the bottom. Bigger softies help with the casting.

OK, interesting. As an aside, it's annoying that with shop bought jig heads hook size increases with jig weight. I'm usually looking for a 1oz jig head with a 1/0 hook which doesn't exist, so have reverted to worm hooks and egg sinkers. In this instance, bigger hooks on a light jig head may be the way forward. 


Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 8:36pm
Maybe drop those surgeons fingers and have a go at this soft plastic Andy.Big smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7lD-J7Y5T4&fbclid=IwAR3f5mkF7DaOG06uJG_UQAvbsfVkB4Z0dZHDc5V9_raL40kx4Aqpqh641G8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7lD-J7Y5T4&fbclid=IwAR3f5mkF7DaOG06uJG_UQAvbsfVkB4Z0dZHDc5V9_raL40kx4Aqpqh641G8





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"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau


Posted By: Mudfish marquand
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 8:58pm
Thanks for posting that Catchelot. AWESOME!

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Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2019 at 10:57pm
A work of art. Not sure how long it would last when a snapper grabs it though LOL


Posted By: viscount
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2019 at 4:24am
Look for small bullet weights that they use for a Texas rig, I had them so small or you could use tungsten split shot.

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Posted By: viscount
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2019 at 4:27am
Two weeks ago we had them taking softies off the surface with 8th oz heads and 16th oz heads, you can find theses in the states and have a wide gape and there strong as.

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beers wings and things


Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2019 at 10:37am
Go one better than the tungsten split shot and use the tungsten beads the flyfishos use for weight on their flies.

You get them in a range of colours and weight sizes.

EDIT: Great video Al - thanks for sharing that.
Incredible what some blokes can do.


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Posted By: Rainbow
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2019 at 10:01pm
I have been doing pretty well fly fishing with unweighted 5cm softbaits on the Tongariro.
 
Rainbow


Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 12:13am
Update. Even the biggest softies are too light to cast without additional weight. A few strikes, but nothing stuck. Not surprising, big bait with hook at one end. Got snagged up a lot. Reminded me of how much I hate fishing the wash/kelp beds! Always ended up going back in to deeper water and catching snapper over sand on slow jigs. Why make life difficult?! 


Posted By: _jackrw_
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 10:33pm
I cast zman 7" and 5" jerk shads on a weightless worm hook no trouble. Casting into wind with a 5" is difficult. Wanting to try some of the 10" heroz weightless if i can find worm hooks big enough.


Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2019 at 11:27pm
Owner Beast Hooks are big enough.


Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2019 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by _jackrw_ _jackrw_ wrote:

I cast zman 7" and 5" jerk shads on a weightless worm hook no trouble. Casting into wind with a 5" is difficult. Wanting to try some of the 10" heroz weightless if i can find worm hooks big enough.


barbarian hooks by Hogy lues in USA are great, i have quite a few in all weights including no actual lead added. Wicked hooks and corkscrew to hold softbait on well


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Posted By: MightyBoosh
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2019 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by _jackrw_ _jackrw_ wrote:

I cast zman 7" and 5" jerk shads on a weightless worm hook no trouble. 

They must float? Are you using them for kingfish?


Posted By: CBF-Whk
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 8:41am
I cut the spiral off and bridal the softy to the hook with a bait needle find they last much longer.
CBF






Posted By: CBF-Whk
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2019 at 8:46am
Originally posted by CBF-Whk CBF-Whk wrote:

I cut the spiral off and bridal the softy to the hook with a bait needle find they last much longer.
CBF


I got this one on the above rig just floating the bait down in 20m with the rod in the holder. Fish hit at about mid water. Was full of baby Blue Mamo when gutted ??.

sorry why it is upside down is beyond my comprehension????



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