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Topic: Extremely light braid
Posted By: Cast-away
Subject: Extremely light braid
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 4:20pm
Hey team

Interesed in peoples thoughts on the new shimano Kairiki braid as have just bought a new 1-2kg setup with a 1000 reel and looking to run a nice thin 8 weave braid for extra touch. I was previously running 2-4kg rod w 2500 reel and 6lb 832 which was awesome but I see the Kairiki 6lb 8 weave is down to 0.08mm compared to the 0.14 of the 832. Was hoping to get some feedback from anyone's experience with the product.

Cheers in advance...



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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 6:41pm
Try it and report back, it looks to be high quality, good to cast, good to lay on reel, smooth drag through the water.Thumbs Up


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 7:30pm
Forget about it, just get some YGK g-soul x8 upgrade in PE0.6 and be done.


Posted By: Spudnik
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2017 at 8:22pm
I bought a shimano sb reel which came spooled with some 10lb kairiki. It's ok for light shallow water fishing, but compared to the 8x J braid (15lb) I run on my oh jig setup, it's not as smooth.

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Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2017 at 12:19pm
Makka Where do you get that in NZ or do you buy it online from offshore.

I'm also looking at Ryujin PE0.4

Cheers


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 9:46am
I got mine from JPAngler, I have purchased from there a few times and the service is great, postage is quicker than most Nz based sellers too


Posted By: Great White Aussie
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 1:26pm
Slightly off topic a bit , but .....

Lots of Japanese sites sell great quality Braid ....

Just a pity sometimes that our best "Local" go to stores can not compete ..

So much for so called "Open Trade Agreements" through Government Initiatives.

I really try to stick to "local Stores" , like thay say, keep money in-house and keep the

economy going, nothing worse than seeing the Local Stores going under ....

Back on topic now ...

YGK g-soul x8 is a good braid  

The Power Pro Maxcuatro ,a good braid, thin dia, but as always has the price tag too

Cheers  Great White Aussie ......


Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2017 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by Cast-away Cast-away wrote:

Hey team

Interesed in peoples thoughts on the new shimano Kairiki braid as have just bought a new 1-2kg setup with a 1000 reel and looking to run a nice thin 8 weave braid for extra touch. I was previously running 2-4kg rod w 2500 reel and 6lb 832 which was awesome but I see the Kairiki 6lb 8 weave is down to 0.08mm compared to the 0.14 of the 832. Was hoping to get some feedback from anyone's experience with the product.

Cheers in advance...


What does the Kairiki 6lb braid actually test at? I use and sell Tasline Elite All white series braid. The lightest they do is 8lb which is a 6 strand braid and has a ABS of 14.2 lb.
Awesome braid, very soft and thin for its BS (0.115mm)


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Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 8:35am
Originally posted by Great White Aussie Great White Aussie wrote:

Slightly off topic a bit , but .....

Lots of Japanese sites sell great quality Braid ....

Just a pity sometimes that our best "Local" go to stores can not compete ..

So much for so called "Open Trade Agreements" through Government Initiatives.

I really try to stick to "local Stores" , like thay say, keep money in-house and keep the

economy going, nothing worse than seeing the Local Stores going under ....

Back on topic now ...

<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">YGK g-soul x8 is a good braid  </span>
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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">The </span>Power Pro Maxcuatro ,a good braid, thin dia, but as always has the price tag too

Cheers  Great White Aussie ......


If local stores stocked what I was after, I would shop there.
90% of what I use just isn't available in NZ and the stores don't want to stock it.

The tasline that Kaveman speaks of is great line too, I haven't tried the lighter stuff so I can't recommend it but the 20 and 50lb I use is second to none


Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2017 at 11:03am
I actually ended up going for Daiwa Tournament evo 8 braid in 8lb measuring at 0.10mm they also do 6lb in 0.8mm which I may try depending on how I go with the 8lb. I am after super sensitive touch over everything else for softbaiting in 10-20m over the sand in spot X. Certainly a little more pricey but after spending good dollars on my new gear want to run good braid, had to get it out of Aus.


Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 12:20pm
I use the 12lb Tasline Elite braid 8 carrier amazing braid. The 8lb would be sweet for a 1-2kg setup. It’s so so thin and smooth. I got mine from Kaveman Tackle


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by Fishing Addiction Fishing Addiction wrote:

I use the 12lb Tasline Elite braid 8 carrier amazing braid. The 8lb would be sweet for a 1-2kg setup. It’s so so thin and smooth. I got mine from Kaveman Tackle

Ditto, except Kaveman hadn't started stocking it, so got it from Busted.
Also have the 8lb for light soft baiting; 50lb for medium top water; and 80lb for top water off the rocks. very happy with all of them.
I find the bright white line excellent for visibility, as well as the casting attributes.
The one thing i can't understand is why they go from 6 strand in 8lb (understandable given the diameter), to 8 strand for the 12lb, then back to 6 strand for the 15lb?

After advice from Makka a while back, i also got some YGK braid for my other soft baiting reel (heavier rating than the 12lb). 


Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 8:01pm
Originally posted by The Tamure Kid The Tamure Kid wrote:

Originally posted by Fishing Addiction Fishing Addiction wrote:

I use the 12lb Tasline Elite braid 8 carrier amazing braid. The 8lb would be sweet for a 1-2kg setup. It’s so so thin and smooth. I got mine from Kaveman Tackle

Ditto, except Kaveman hadn't started stocking it, so got it from Busted.
Also have the 8lb for light soft baiting; 50lb for medium top water; and 80lb for top water off the rocks. very happy with all of them.
I find the bright white line excellent for visibility, as well as the casting attributes.
The one thing i can't understand is why they go from 6 strand in 8lb (understandable given the diameter), to 8 strand for the 12lb, then back to 6 strand for the 15lb?

After advice from Makka a while back, i also got some YGK braid for my other soft baiting reel (heavier rating than the 12lb). 


Agree, i will ask them why the change in 6 to 8 strands for different weights


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Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 10:17pm
Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by The Tamure Kid The Tamure Kid wrote:

Originally posted by Fishing Addiction Fishing Addiction wrote:

I use the 12lb Tasline Elite braid 8 carrier amazing braid. The 8lb would be sweet for a 1-2kg setup. It’s so so thin and smooth. I got mine from Kaveman Tackle


Ditto, except Kaveman hadn't started stocking it, so got it from Busted.
Also have the 8lb for light soft baiting; 50lb for medium top water; and 80lb for top water off the rocks. very happy with all of them.
I find the bright white line excellent for visibility, as well as the casting attributes.
The one thing i can't understand is why they go from 6 strand in 8lb (understandable given the diameter), to 8 strand for the 12lb, then back to 6 strand for the 15lb?

After advice from Makka a while back, i also got some YGK braid for my other soft baiting reel (heavier rating than the 12lb). 



Agree, i will ask them why the change in 6 to 8 strands for different weights


I did have a chart somewhere from tasline but I can't find it, basically it's to get the breaking strains required, 8 strands of fibre X gives you 12lb, 6 strands of X (25% less) gives you 8lb (25% less) same as 8 of Y gives you 20lb and 25% less material (6 strands) gives you 25% less breaking strain at 15lb


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2017 at 11:19pm

Do you mean this Tasline one below, Makka? 

The one odd thing about the Japanese brands, e.g. YGK, is that they usually don't state the diameter of the line on the spool, only the PE, so it's hard to compare brands. And i'm not sure how they come up with the PE rating - are they an industry standard for diameter?



Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2017 at 7:58am
There was another one with an extra row that shown the strand thickness.

The PE rating is actually thickness, not strength, there are a few conversion charts out there if you google it


Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 10:59am
I went on a misssion in the weekend and my braid had't turned up so picked up some 6lb Shimano kairiki from my local smart's and threw it on my new 1-2kg setup. I can report that it does have a pretty low breaking strain would be around 6lb as labelled I managed to snap a kingy off by tightening up a bit much on it; overall thought it is pretty awesome braid for the price point of $28/150m spool, really good touch and casting just got to play the fish which going to 1-2kg is the whole point. The 0.07mm thickness does make it pretty tricky to tie knots with as you can barely feel it in your fingers just got to try keep it out of the wind while doing it.


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 7:44pm
What knot were you using? I use the FG all the way down to 4lb, it can't be beaten


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 8:25pm
Interesting Makka. Do you ever have trouble with the FG gripping on the leader if you're using 10lb/12lb fluoro.

I was trying that when casting for flathead in Australia at Easter and my FGs kept failing when I tested the strength after tying.
But I can tie them really well on heavier traces.I couldn't work it out, was like I was missing a step even though i knew I wasn't. So I swapped to back to back uni for the rest of the trip.

Any thoughts?


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 7:40pm
I have never really had any issues, I mainly fish mono leaders but occasionally use fluro in 3X (4kg) and 10lb and don't have any problems.

How are you tying your FG?


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 9:10pm
Thanks for the reply, Makka.
I learned the knot from the video put up on YouTube by Nathan from Big Angry Fish. I guess I'd describe it as putting loose wraps of braid over the leader (a few at a time), cinching the wraps down periodically. With half hitches to secure the whole thing, then a big pull tight before cutting the leader tag.
What was happening in Australia was the light fluoro was pulling through at that point.
I had never had previous issues with fluoro down to 15lb.  wondered if the braid couldn't grip the 10lb fluoro.

[edit, I had this description around the wrong way - now corrected after re-watching the vid] I've since seen a vid of a guy taking much tighter fluoro turns around a tightly held braid line, plaiting the fluoro around the braid - and wondered if that was a more reliable method in light line ratings.

What method do you use?


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 10:16pm
I've had that before using a different brand of fluro then I'd normally use, the braid wouldn't bed down into the fluro fluid and wouldn't look waxy, it would slip after pulling tight.
Changed back to normal fluro and it was fine
For quick knots when i cant be bothered tying an fg in light line I like the five turn surgeons knot as I've found it to be the slimmest and most powerful knot


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 10:19am
Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

I've had that before using a different brand of fluro then I'd normally use, the braid wouldn't bed down into the fluro fluid and wouldn't look waxy, it would slip after pulling tight.
Changed back to normal fluro and it was fine

That's really interesting, Spin King.
Because I was trying for estuary fish, and the locals recommended 10lb fluoro, I had taken a spool of Umqua Feather Merchants Deceiver fluoro for trace that I bought for fly fishing. It does look shinier and is obviously thinner than the likes of Vanish or Black Magic that I normally use for soft baiting.
It was so frustrating tying knot after knot with the end result sliding off!

I'll check out that Surgeons knot online.


Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 4:35pm
I hold the end of the braid in my mouth then use the rod to put tension on it.
Then I weave the leader through the braid, keeping the tension on the whole time, it's the quickest, easiest way I have come across to tie the knot, with the best results


Posted By: coroben
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 5:45pm
^agree i used to tie BAF style but found a loop round handle with reel in rod holder method far eaiser


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 5:46pm
Excellent. Sounds like you do it like this, Makka? The Saltstrong guy's method:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk




Posted By: muchalls
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2017 at 5:59pm
I've been using Shimano stuff and found it good, green Sufix 832 tightens to a dark solid green.
Did get busted a couple of times today from braid breaking! Tracked down to excess resin in the guide, which had partially broken off.

Now trimmed and hopefully sorted, but only landed one at 59 cm today. Son in law got a similar one and Rod Holder got a 64 cm fish.





Posted By: makka
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 8:16pm
Yep, pretty much TTK


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2017 at 8:23pm
Good to know. I'll give that a go instead. I must admit that loose method made me wonder if the loops would pull up correctly.


Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Cast-away Cast-away wrote:

Hey team

Interesed in peoples thoughts on the new shimano Kairiki braid as have just bought a new 1-2kg setup with a 1000 reel and looking to run a nice thin 8 weave braid for extra touch. I was previously running 2-4kg rod w 2500 reel and 6lb 832 which was awesome but I see the Kairiki 6lb 8 weave is down to 0.08mm compared to the 0.14 of the 832. Was hoping to get some feedback from anyone's experience with the product.

Cheers in advance...


What does the Kairiki 6lb braid actually test at? I use and sell Tasline Elite All white series braid. The lightest they do is 8lb which is a 6 strand braid and has a ABS of 14.2 lb.
Awesome braid, very soft and thin for its BS (0.115mm)

I spooled up 150yards of the Kairiki and after using the 0.07mm kairiki for a while its fair to say it breaks at 6lb or not much over which is alright because using only a 1000 setup got to play the fish like a twelve string. It certainly adds a new level of difficulty and excitement but my hookup rate has increased exponentially due to having the extra touch. It is a combination of the line and the light rod but would highly recommend it however you do lose fish from time to time breaking at your uni knot after say 50 fish or from over tightening on the drag.


Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 01 May 2018 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by Cast-away Cast-away wrote:

Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Cast-away Cast-away wrote:

Hey team

Interesed in peoples thoughts on the new shimano Kairiki braid as have just bought a new 1-2kg setup with a 1000 reel and looking to run a nice thin 8 weave braid for extra touch. I was previously running 2-4kg rod w 2500 reel and 6lb 832 which was awesome but I see the Kairiki 6lb 8 weave is down to 0.08mm compared to the 0.14 of the 832. Was hoping to get some feedback from anyone's experience with the product.

Cheers in advance...


What does the Kairiki 6lb braid actually test at? I use and sell Tasline Elite All white series braid. The lightest they do is 8lb which is a 6 strand braid and has a ABS of 14.2 lb.
Awesome braid, very soft and thin for its BS (0.115mm)

I spooled up 150yards of the Kairiki and after using the 0.07mm kairiki for a while its fair to say it breaks at 6lb or not much over which is alright because using only a 1000 setup got to play the fish like a twelve string. It certainly adds a new level of difficulty and excitement but my hookup rate has increased exponentially due to having the extra touch. It is a combination of the line and the light rod but would highly recommend it however you do lose fish from time to time breaking at your uni knot after say 50 fish or from over tightening on the drag.


What rod are you using? we now sell carbon 8ft softbait rods that are very, very light and so sensitive that we can feel a fish fartLOLLOL


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Posted By: speckledknob
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 8:35am
The 832 breaking strain will be well above its rated 6lb that it why it appears much thicker. Possibly even up around 15lb? It is a good strong braid for its diameter... Can't speak for the Shimano stuff

Also good call on the surgeons. It's exactly what I used for aussie estuary fishing never had it fail. It's a great knot especially for light line.


Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 10:10am
Originally posted by speckledknob speckledknob wrote:

The 832 breaking strain will be well above its rated 6lb that it why it appears much thicker. Possibly even up around 15lb? It is a good strong braid for its diameter... Can't speak for the Shimano stuff

Also good call on the surgeons. It's exactly what I used for aussie estuary fishing never had it fail. It's a great knot especially for light line.

Yeah your right there on the 832, I found an interesting database someone put together testing line he had 6lb 832 out at 25lb. 832 is certainly an awesome line I use it religiously on heavier setups, but not a genuine 6lb 'light' line, which the shimano kairiki stuff is and for the money is a great super light line option at $30/150m spool IMO. 
http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4linetesting.htm" rel="nofollow - http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4linetesting.htm


 


Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 02 May 2018 at 10:21am
Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Cast-away Cast-away wrote:

Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

Originally posted by Cast-away Cast-away wrote:

Hey team

Interesed in peoples thoughts on the new shimano Kairiki braid as have just bought a new 1-2kg setup with a 1000 reel and looking to run a nice thin 8 weave braid for extra touch. I was previously running 2-4kg rod w 2500 reel and 6lb 832 which was awesome but I see the Kairiki 6lb 8 weave is down to 0.08mm compared to the 0.14 of the 832. Was hoping to get some feedback from anyone's experience with the product.

Cheers in advance...


What does the Kairiki 6lb braid actually test at? I use and sell Tasline Elite All white series braid. The lightest they do is 8lb which is a 6 strand braid and has a ABS of 14.2 lb.
Awesome braid, very soft and thin for its BS (0.115mm)

I spooled up 150yards of the Kairiki and after using the 0.07mm kairiki for a while its fair to say it breaks at 6lb or not much over which is alright because using only a 1000 setup got to play the fish like a twelve string. It certainly adds a new level of difficulty and excitement but my hookup rate has increased exponentially due to having the extra touch. It is a combination of the line and the light rod but would highly recommend it however you do lose fish from time to time breaking at your uni knot after say 50 fish or from over tightening on the drag.


What rod are you using? we now sell carbon 8ft softbait rods that are very, very light and so sensitive that we can feel a fish fartLOLLOL

I am using a Daiwa Generation Black Instant Noodle 7ft 2 piece 1-2kg which I have matched with the new penn conflict 1000 bought from USA. I also have 2 other generation black 3pc rods Deep striker and Black sniper, I swear by them and awesome quality value for money all imported from aussie ($220nz landed) as they are way over priced in NZ. I have a personal preference for 7ft rods.


Posted By: speckledknob
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 1:47am
6lb breaking at 25lb haha yeah thats getting a bit silly. can understand why its not the braid of choice for what you are doing
might as well just make the one size and call it everything from 6 to 30..

flatties? bream?

The snapper and kingy fishing is definitely better over here but I have to say the aussies have it over us in the estuaries. especially when you get further north to where the barramundi are (pity about the crocs) 


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2018 at 7:02pm
Saw the new stuff coming from Gosen today, you want light you can get it!


Posted By: Barbary B
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2018 at 9:06am

Bit late to the party but Go Fish in takapuna has Gosen braid in 10 and 12 lb.

I have used it all winter and its probably the best performing braid I have used so far for micro jigs and softbaits.

Gosen W8 braid 300m PE 1 (12lb) dia 0.171 8 ply 4S process braid, soft and stiff which creates line tension to reduce slack line problem. Multi colour line 10m colours. Made in Japan ..


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Posted By: fastjig
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 10:48am

YEP coming for 2018/9

 PE:0.1, 0.053mm,  3.5lb  also  PE, 1,2,4,6,8 

Have a sample of it in PE:04 5.8lb  0.104mm cant break it, cuts my hands

No fishing line is more resistant to water than this one, trout fisher-people will also love it.

Also new for 2018-9

X16 casting ( overhead)  voted best braid at EFTTEX 2017.

W8 hard type (spin) in X8 High VIS

New copolymer nylon  leader

New Fluorocarbons

And hollow game line, like you have never seen, a bit later. 


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Posted By: Cast-away
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 1:25pm
What brand are those lines?


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2019 at 2:26pm
Gosen



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