Ocea pencil V Orca v starwalker
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Printed Date: 05 Jun 2026 at 11:50pm
Topic: Ocea pencil V Orca v starwalker
Posted By: laidbackdood
Subject: Ocea pencil V Orca v starwalker
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 8:12pm
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A few years ago i tested the shimano ocea pencil and the starwalker with different rigs a) with 3/0 trebles b) with 7/0 inlines I found both fished better with singles.......the trebles weighed them down and the lure was slow to pop its head.... I tried the orcas(185) the other day with inline singles and i didnt think they swam well.........not as good as the two already mentioned..... I will try with two 3/0 trebs and .one treb on belly and a single tail..... Even from video i have seen from underwater on the orcas.......they dont look to swim as well as the starwalker or the ocea pencil........I bought a 220F ocea recently........... Its basically a big orca......so the ocea name is a bit misleading.....tried with singles on that.....it wasnt that good either..........so far i am not a huge fan of orcas.........the shape of the pencils is different and i believe that groove under the chin is what its all about..........those have rattles in them. interested to hear other peoples thoughts or how they have rigged their orcas?....trebles just kill the starwalker and ocea pencil. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
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Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 9:34pm
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Doin the yard there Jon. Good onya mate! ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 3:04am
Thanks pete...i am going to fart about with them and see what i can do....one place suggest 6/0 and 7/0 inlines but i was using 8/0 inlines with the 220F......its a great size ......decoy 8/0 looks a good size hook for the size of lure.......will see if the 7/0 are better....or a treble belly and single tail. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
PE Pete wrote:Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 7:49am
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so are you running two singles on the starwalkers? need to go over mine and sort out hooks for them. cheers.
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Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 9:22am
just buy a blue fish 
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 3:32pm
I have a 120 one of them and i swear its cursed ........everything seemed to go wrong bail arm flew over wouldnt swim well hooks get caught on the leader tried to cast it without the bail arm open hahahaha wind knot.... Bloody thing hates me for some reason lol ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 4:04pm
you using the longer ones......i think they come in 165 an 185 approx......floaters and sinkers.... I know chris wong(the agent) uses a single inline off the back...... I use shogun viper inline 7/0(X2) on them and they go nice........particularly short stabs.......but long sweeps as well......unfortunately they have stopped making the shoguns(cant fathom why?)....the head pops back up pretty quick ...ready for the next sweep with the inlines.....it takes ages with the trebles. mustad/jigstar/decoy all do 7/0 but not many have a welded eye.....the shoguns did...BKK do a welded eye 7/0 but the eye is pretty small ...not so much freedom with a split ring. If you want cheap and not too bad......the mustads are good to go.  here we go...the decoy pictured is 8/0 but i use 7/0 on the starwalker........the decoys and the bottom hooks are more expensive.     ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Troutzilla
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 6:36pm
Ill swap you a used Orca for the cursed thing. Have caught kingis on it in the Gulf, West coast and the Mokes ------------- It aint no use if it aint chartreuse! |
Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2016 at 9:20pm
| cool mate, cheers. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 4:53am
Trout...I know they are legendary.....i will have to get mine exorcised  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 9:52am
Get your hands on some Shimano Ocea Head Dip. I think its the ultimate stickbait in the Shimano range.  |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 7:22pm
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oh yeah.......they look just like this...this is a 220F but i will certainly consider...Thanks  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 8:34pm
| i've got a 165 starwalker and a packet of vipers, are the 7s too big for that? |
Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 8:34pm
are these in nz?
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 10:23pm
Thats a good question .........stick em on and do a visual.......does it look appropriate? ..........then go and see how they swim.... You are lucky to have the vipers......Id get a pack of 6/0 ......maybe the mustard and try them too.........the worst thing you can do to any lure is weigh them down too much and ruin their action..... an 8mm split ring might be better with your lure too.....owner or decoy/heavy (my favorite) ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 10:26pm
| Head Dip will not be introduced to NZ according to Tony Orton but plenty to choose from online. Plat stock them |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2016 at 3:51am
Denim...Ref the head dip.....I got a couple from Japan mate.(off e bay australia).....the guys english was awful but he tried really hard..they will be available in Aussie soon....no hooks supplied but came with split rings....most have sold out over here.
 ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Troutzilla
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2016 at 9:13am
------------- It aint no use if it aint chartreuse! |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2016 at 5:44am
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No.......i ordered them ...so i could take on my nz trip recently but they failed to arrive before i took off............I might give them a cast when i go up north(I am in perth WA) They recommend 4/0 trebles on em but the owner ones look massive..........i took some off some sebille big splasher 190..........they fall somewhere in between a owner st66 3/0 and an Owner st66 4/0..........to me .....they look the perfect size as they are pretty short arrrrse lures(175mm)...dont want to ruin their action..........will let you know how they go......might be good for Gt's. Wouldnt mind having a play with inline singles as well.
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2016 at 9:06am
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laidback there are plenty stocked here, no language barrier to deal with either http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/default/language/en/cPath/31_444_972_2383/fishing-lure/off-shore/shimano/head-dip.html
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2016 at 4:45pm
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Thanks for the link Denim but they only have 2 of the 175 there.......I have another 2 coming soon and thats me done........the flying fish like in your photo and the blue/silver/pink sardine one. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2016 at 5:22pm
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All good , I didnt check too much of what they had left in stock. Last week they had Smith Baby Runboh's on sale. Those will catch you a marlin
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