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They dont make them anymore mate(for some time now)........i tried all over the world to find one.........swordfish steve on here can smooth the shimano plate and you can still get the smoooth carbontex washers and it will do a fine job..........have never been able to understand why they stopped making them.

I bought a 2000P in aussie cheap recently......I know the guy quite well.......he changed the washers out himself......left the metal washer as it is and put strong washers in......he likes to use dry.........to me .....it too strong(especially for pe4 line) and i would prefer a light coat of grease on em.

True....I am sure at the time.....they did drag tests on the 4000/5000 p's ...one with just the washers and one with the cals plate plus washers and off the top of my head ...i think there was 3 or 4 kg diff in drag.......i think it was due to the shimano plate having a groove in it....when cals plate didnt.........If i am wrong= go for it 

my 5000P has both but my 4000P will only have the carbontex washers and standard plate....same goes for my 2000P ........i think you got in at the right time kev.........funandfunction snapped his 4000P up....with both too from Rockstars from mars....a 4000P or 5000P with both seems pretty rare on the s/h scene these days.

That might fit an OJ too.......not sure.

Anyway.....to the original poster........if you take your reel with carbontex washers to swordfish steve on here......pretty sure he sets them up all smooth to mesh nice......should be plenty for you......hell....try hangin onto all that drag anyway....main thing is....shes smoooooth.

The Cal Sheets drag plates are thicker than the shimano original, the sleeve (sits over the drag threaded stem)that transfers force from the drag adjuster to the drag stack, does so via the middle of the drag plate, the cals plate being thicker, is able to exert more pressure over the whole off the drag washers, where as the original would cup slightly.

First photo in the tutorial shows how the original has groove up...

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I was of the understanding that Cal had retired asnd his son has taken a bigger role in the running of things?

Nice one......nothing like a slice of clarity

 

I have some modifications to the drag stack in mind I'd like to try... anyone got a reel I could experiment with?

 

Actually can anyone confirm that the pressure plate from a Trinidad 16A or larger, TGT1662, is the same part as the Ocea? Or is it the same as the old Trinidad, TGT0441?

 

I'm going to buy a couple to butcher, if it's the same as the 16A then I have a 16NA I can use as a test-bed, if not I'm really hoping someone can loan me a reel, there will be a free drag upgrade and reel service in it for you...

 

Interesting with the ARB, I had kinda suspected as much about them going backwards at high drags.

 

I wonder at what point the pinion gear starts to suffer, drag-wise?

 

The maths behind it is somewhat interesting (to someone who actually cares about this kind of thing)

 

To generate 10kg of drag with a 4cm diameter spool+line you only need resist 2Nm of torque on the spool. A relatively tiny amount.

The problem is that the ARB acts on the driveshaft rather than the pinion (where a dogged AR applies force) therefore it is subject to the reverse of the reel's gearing - so if you have a 6:1 retrieve you get 6x the torque on the ARB, or 12Nm.

 

A typical small ARB only has a torque rating of around 5Nm, hence why some reels like Accurates have 2 of them... but as you mentioned there is still no substitute for a good double-dog system.

 

Really the best option these days (in my opinion) is an ARB so the reel feels nice, plus a silent double-dog ARB. You get this in the baby Okuma SLXs, but for some reason they aren't rated to much drag, possibly due to the graphite frame - I'd love to see the technology in these reels (thrust bearings plus this AR setup) make its ways into the aluminium-framed reels.

The 150R and 200R reels come with 2 AR bearings + a silent dog :) 

so i presume that means none of that whirring noise(which personally i hated) like on the Jm's when you are jigging right?

 Used to be able to buy a silent kit for them but I don't know if hats still around any more. 

Yes I can confirm that the pressure plate for TN16/20 can fit the OJ4000/5000.  Diameter is approx 3mm smaller so not all of the OJ4000/5000 drag washer is covered.  Unsure exactly how much less drag you will get because of it.

BTW, the Cal's plate surface is machined flat but the back of the plate is curved probably to provide some spring tension for graduated plate pressure at higher drag settings.  In fact, I think the plate surface  (although machined flat) has a slight curve too. 

This completely flattens out applying full surface pressure at max drag.  

I still have a couple original Cals pressure plates for TN16/20 if anyone interested.