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Topic: Trident Cameras....Another MPI Fail
Posted By: Derek F
Subject: Trident Cameras....Another MPI Fail
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 10:35am
TV 1 thismorning.  Trident states, "the power is with the fishman",
"footage will only be available to MPI if the fisherman allows" and "data can be aggregated so that data released can not identify the boat it came from. 

How can MPI suggest they are looking after public values?
The fisheries have bought it to Trident and now control everything.
Sounds like they will only ever release data that is positive them.




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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 10:56am
Seems to be a bit ridiculous as an enforcement tool, but is it being touted as an enforcement tool or a fisheries management tool? BIG difference, one WE want, one THEY want.

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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 2:44pm
Would you not think the govt could enforce it as both? Seems very weak management to me. 

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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 3:25pm
I am not arguing that. I would have thought the idea was for supervision and enforcement, but perhaps that is a bit too much to expect of commercially funded "civil servants".

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Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 4:40pm
Enforcement = government and industry spin to try and pacify the angry public
Industry control of what is reported = government - industry agreement

Is there anyone on here who didn't think from the way that the government presented this that it wasn't going to be used for enforcement to stop criminal industry behavior?


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Jun 2016 at 6:15pm
Certainly it seemed to me that the cams were for enforcement purposes. To have them there for exactly NOT enforcement....seems pointless and a flat out lie to me.

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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 8:08am
And because the fisherman has total control over the footage it will only be used to "justify" more quota etc.

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Posted By: widerange
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 8:42am
Corruption ,I think is the word you're looking for


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 9:11am
It sounds suspiciously so, doesn't it.
So it goes...."so mr fisherman, was it a good day?" "Yup, got fifty bins of gurnard as planned.".."can we look at the film?" "Sure!"
Next day, ditto, and so on for a month, then....
"So how did you go today?" " Terrible! we were trolling along, then the bag just got caught on the bottom or something, popped open and we lost a bag full of fish! Luckily we already had most of what we wanted of gurnard,so it wasn't a total disaster...."
"Gosh, that's a shame, we have reports of miles of dumped snapper out there, mind if we look at your footage today?"
"Nope, pluck off".
"Oh, righto then, see you tomorrow then!" Wink wink
"No worries" wink wink.


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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 9:14am
The anti super trawler group in Australia want to see the footage from the "geelong star" yes you can see the footage for a fee and then only then if the owners give permission to veiw such footage.

So hear in NZ Trident will/can install cameras,fair enough even though owned by a  vested  interest 3rd party.   Should we the public or lobby groups have access?? certainly mpi should have access and should be able to conduct prosecutions through footage supplied and cameras should have anti tamper seals(like power meters)


Think us reccs are really missing the point. As comms have said for awhile now we will comply with self reporting when the reccs have to report their catches,so to satisfy all maybe we need to think about reporting our catch?what have we got to hide??


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 9:33am
Because it won't be just saying "5 snapper, three kahawai and a JD"
It'll be
Time of departurure.
Location of catch (GPS coordinates)
Location of snapper
Weights/length of each snapper
Location of kahawai
Weight/length of each kahawai
Location of JD
Weight/length of each JD
Number of fish caught and released.
Species of released fish
Size of released fish.
Baits used
Lures used.
Name of all anglers on vessel.
Name of boat
Type/make of boat
Time of return
Copy for MPI
Copy for doc
Copy for self.
Daily return (including non fishing days)
Weekly return (including non fishing days)
Monthly return (inc non fishing days)
Triplicate copies of each.
$750 instant fine for not making weekly returns within two weeks
$7500 fine for not making monthly returns within thirty days.

There, that's not so bad us it? It is for the good of the fishery after all, surely you don't mind helping to improve fish stocks? It's for the public good.
Oh, because we need to hire more staff to run these numbers, there is a $25 fee for each daily report, a $75 fee for each weekly report and a $125 fee for each monthly report...user pays you know, it IS for the good of the fisheries after all......

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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 9:35am
Oh, and if that seems improbably ridiculous and over the top, it is pretty much what charter operators have to do these days......


Edit:- PJC, sorry, the above may have looked like I was getting at you, but the "you" I was meaning was recreational fishermen, from the point of view of the bureaucrats assigned to enforce the recreational catch forms regime. It wasn't a dig at you mate.

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Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 10:26am
The other thing that will happen is that the recreational sector will be given a Total Allowable Recreational Catch (TARC) for each species, and as the population increases the daily bag limit will decrease until you get the situation where you will only be allowed to catch a certain species on X days of the year and only one or two of that species each time. This is what has happened in some states in the US with some fish species.  

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Posted By: sposman
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 10:54am
Probably time to sell boats while there is still a market for them. Looks like the writing is on the wall. Maybe a launch is the way to go then you can have a cruise, a fish,then eat it for dinner before coming in.


Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 11:55am
Originally posted by Marligator Marligator wrote:

The other thing that will happen is that the recreational sector will be given a Total Allowable Recreational Catch (TARC) for each species, and as the population increases the daily bag limit will decrease until you get the situation where you will only be allowed to catch a certain species on X days of the year and only one or two of that species each time. This is what has happened in some states in the US with some fish species.  

That isn't what WILL happen, it is what has happened. That is the whole process of the QMS. That is why the recreational snapper tonnage allowance in SNA1 was increased by 500 tonnes at the same time as our daily catch limit was dropped to 7. That is why our daily catch limits in SNA1 have gone 30, 20, 15, 9 , 7. It is very easy to see where that trend line goes. What annoys me is that the snapper stocks were fished to the current (less actually) very low levels by mass commercial exploitation, and could support a higher recreational take if they were allowed to recover. So the commercial industry destroys the stock and then we pay for it to recover or be sustained. That is our QMS.


Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 11:57am
All good Capt A,at some point we will need to relent a little of what we do,both sides need to give and take,it may look like we give and they take. Overall we are lucky that we can buy a boat go fishing ,no licence for boat or fish,only restriction is our bag limit. I would conform to a simple reporting system. fish caught species/number log book type thing that needs to kept onboard?who said it need be accurate though?
But they would need to agree any dodgey fishing practices caught on camera or camera turned off for no apparent reason ,prosecutions will take place,if it a case of wasting fish due to quota holder dictating the rules and proven then holder to face prosecution.


Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 12:19pm
PJC...Who has been giving all along?  They are in the position they are because they have always taken all they can, never given.

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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Derek F Derek F wrote:

PJC...Who has been giving all along?  They are in the position they are because they have always taken all they can, never given.
maybe it should of read we had taken from us!yes we have given simply because we have never stood as a body to fight mpi on any decisions.


Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 3:30pm
 Sorry guys wrong thread.


Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 3:34pm
well said guys,
we need a few solution, that could put this back in prospective,

1st > there is no reason Fishing Companies should be able to interfere

2nd> MPI fishery, certainly needs a total revamp, having a watch dog that is nothing more than a lapdog, which is covering up by hiding any angle to stop Rec's getting info that will discredit Fishing Companies.

3rd> filming on fishing boats while out at sea, footage needs to be independently reviewed, enforcement with no outside interference has to be put in place, if they do not sign up NO FISHING.
this is how it has to be, only a independent company can watch this footage then report back to everyone the offending boats and size of the offence, this is totally against LAW i am sure.

it has to be taken out of the hands of Fishing Companies,

i laugh the other day the Nation President has been told no more attending any fish debates as this could cause a conflict.

Sir Winston Peters has been doing his part already about winding up those in power his thoughts about this.


Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 3:46pm
A couple of Nathan Guys email addresses.




You could always send him off your thoughts or a question or three!Big smile


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 3:49pm
Lol, Eric, remember who the polly was that issued the scampi quota to a Most Favoured Mates years ago? Very very shady that was, not that ( I think it was) suminovich's complained.....Clue, strong ties to Tauranga and now northland.

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Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 4:01pm
Originally posted by Capt Asparagus Capt Asparagus wrote:

Lol, Eric, remember who the polly was that issued the scampi quota to a Most Favoured Mates years ago? Very very shady that was, not that ( I think it was) suminovich's complained.....Clue, strong ties to Tauranga and now northland.

and could his nephew be the President of Northland Rugby Union and board member of Aotearoa Fisheries?


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2016 at 4:04pm
No idea.

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Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 8:05am
More Denial form Trident starting with Doctor.....CEO.....suggesting scientist(s) are beyond corruption DUH!

Dr David Middleton, Chief Executive Trident Systems

I’m a fisheries scientist, not a politician. However, I find myself the latest plaything of the New Zealand political and media circus.

Just as Sunday morning was drawing to a close I was alerted to a Greenpeace press release. Russel Norman has decided to “reveal” to the world that the organisation I manage (Trident Systems) is owned by New Zealand seafood companies.

On looking at the press release I see that the “revelations” simply indicate that someone at Greenpeace has read what it says on our website and double checked this against the companies’ office records.

The fact that Trident Systems is a seafood industry research provider is hardly secret – it is proclaimed to anyone who visits our website. That we are contracted by the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) to provide video observation of the SNA 1 trawl fleet has been acknowledged in the media and elsewhere - including at a recent workshop which Greenpeace’s senior oceans campaigner, Karli Thomas, was involved in organising.

Yet shortly after, as I went to continue my Sunday activities, Greenpeace’s press release became the leading item on Radio New Zealand’s midday news.

The release had been embargoed till noon. I don’t know when the radio station got a copy, but they hadn’t found time to establish whether Greenpeace’s revelations actually constituted news (“information not previously known”), nor had they sought comment from Trident.

Instead, the basis of the story is simply that Russel Norman finds Trident’s ownership “troubling”.

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone had asked whether there was any merit to the story? Norman seems to be able to rely on the fact than NZ journalists no longer have time for any serious investigation and therefore find themselves complicit in the taking of a cheap shot. We expect this of politicians, but we should remind ourselves that Russel Norman is meant to be an EX-politician. Now he is part of an organisation whose core values include “Promoting Solutions: We [Greenpeace] seek solutions for, and promote open, informed debate about society’s environmental choices. … It’s not enough for us to point the finger; we develop, research and promote concrete steps towards a green and peaceful future for all of us.” It feels like finger pointing to me.

Checking our website hardly constitutes research. And what is the solution Greenpeace are promoting here?

Their press release contains plenty of aspersions, but not one constructive suggestion.

Norman is jumping on the bandwagon of negative publicity that has been aimed at New Zealand’s fisheries management regime over the last couple of weeks. It’s made the headlines but we’ve not seen the press pick up on some key issues.

For example, why has no-one in the mainstream media informed the public that erroneously overestimating catches from a fishery would be dangerous – the antithesis of the precautionary approach to fisheries management?

Overestimation of historic catches leads to an overestimation of fish stock productivity – and so risks catch limits being set too high. The problem was clearly noted by Prof Matt Dunn (writing for the Science Media Centre) at an early stage in the current debate, yet this key issue has been missed in the rush to apportion blame and score political points.

Like Russel Norman, I’m an immigrant to New Zealand. I moved because of New Zealand’s reputation for good fisheries management underpinned by good fisheries science.

The establishment of Trident Systems as a research services provider is entirely consistent with the incentives created under the Quota Management System for stakeholders to invest in efficient mechanisms to provide research services. Trident’s shareholders have invested in R&D of systems and processes to support effective and efficient management of New Zealand’s fisheries.

In developing video observation systems, Trident has partnered with innovative New Zealand technologists and we’ve finally reached the stage where our systems are considered as viable alternatives to human observers, welcomed by fishers and supporting compliance and transparency. We’re still at an early stage in developing the use of this technology in New Zealand fisheries management but have already received interest from overseas.

 For the record

The cameras on vessels are tamper resistant. Date, time and GPS position stamps on all footage ensure it can be fully audited. The footage is available to MPI in full.

Making decisions about regulatory compliance is the job of MPI. MPI makes those decisions based on monitoring data they receive.

Trident’s role is to foster collaboration and co-operation in research that ensures sustainability of fish stocks.

- The cameras on the vessel are tamper resistant ----ever bought a watch with that claim - resistant - LAUGH out LOUDLOL



Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 11:29am
Can you do it in pictures please POF, thats way to much for me to read in my current state.


Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 1:32pm
Cameras on trawlers and danish seine boats in snapper 1 was a result of the Ministers decision in 2013 that there should be 100% observer coverage on these boats.
Human observers are expensive and there can be problems with logistics and safety requirements. The cameras were set up to see what was going on on-deck and what was going over the side.

As in any industry there are the operators that follow the rules and those that don't. The cameras help the good operators prove that they are following the rules, and deter bad behaviour on the rest. From what I have heard most owners and skippers want the cameras on board and have paid for the installation themselves.

Probably no system is fool proof but, as they say, observed behaviour is changed behaviour.


Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 1:58pm
What I might have misunderstood, but seems to make zero sense, is not that the industry are involved in the technology, but that the industry (via Trident) are doing the monitoring of the footage and are supposed to send footage of criminal behaviour to MPI. Is this correct? If it is, the closest analogy I can think of would be to hire a bunch of Aucklands known criminals to install and monitor Aucklands CCTV network and report any criminal events to the police. Whilst you can check that the cameras are installed and working, leaving the monitoring to the criminals would probably raise a few pertinent questions, and is very obviously likely to be less effective than having the police do the monitoring. 
You will have to excuse me from being a little skeptical about the probability of a Sanfords/Sealord/Talleys etc owned company reporting to MPI about any of those companies performing illegal fishing without first at least giving the company time to 'organise' any evidence etc. They might hang out to dry the occasional small independent operator to 'prove that the system works', but I bet you won't see any of these companies before a judge based on Trident collected footage unless it comes from some sort of public pressure. I also bet that this footage will all be 'commercially sensitive' and hence not available under the Official Information Act etc. I am even more skeptical that any data that didn't support those companies view of the world will ever make it to MPI or the public in it's raw and unaltered form. Our commercial fishing industry is a whole world of spin and deception, with apparently the government and MPI key parts of creating those messages alongside the industry. I can't see anything in the Trident setup that is going to give the public increased faith in what is already generally perceived as a very dodgy industry that is being supported by the government at the public's expense.

So what is the real situation with the monitoring? Do you know John?



Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 3:50pm
We have asked for more information in the review of the camera trials by two companies with different systems and the terms of the service contract between Trident and MPI under the Official Information Act. I know that the cameras are on all the time the boats are at sea (port to port) and there will be thousands of hours of footage to store and review.  There is work being done to develop software to automate some of the image scanning to highlight footage that needs reviewing.  

There is also work starting on software to measure each fish on the sorting table on longline boats from camera images, which would be useful.

My view, from knowing the people working in Trident, is that they would not accept taking direction from a fisher or a company on what footage they should view or not,  nor what they do with it.


Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 4:02pm
Great post Tagit - I wonder what the MPI stooges will have to say after they have intercepted this message and sent it on to their governors Wink

Just imagine Tagit - an endorsement from - PriceofFish - Embarrassed

On the subject of intelligence, I bet that MPI would be monitoring this site sifting through the information discussed on the open forums and preparing their campaigns of misinformation. 




Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 4:07pm
Originally posted by Tagit Tagit wrote:

What I might have misunderstood, but seems to make zero sense, is not that the industry are involved in the technology, but that the industry (via Trident) are doing the monitoring of the footage and are supposed to send footage of criminal behaviour to MPI. Is this correct? If it is, the closest analogy I can think of would be to hire a bunch of Aucklands known criminals to install and monitor Aucklands CCTV network and report any criminal events to the police. Whilst you can check that the cameras are installed and working, leaving the monitoring to the criminals would probably raise a few pertinent questions, and is very obviously likely to be less effective than having the police do the monitoring. 
You will have to excuse me from being a little skeptical about the probability of a Sanfords/Sealord/Talleys etc owned company reporting to MPI about any of those companies performing illegal fishing without first at least giving the company time to 'organise' any evidence etc. They might hang out to dry the occasional small independent operator to 'prove that the system works', but I bet you won't see any of these companies before a judge based on Trident collected footage unless it comes from some sort of public pressure. I also bet that this footage will all be 'commercially sensitive' and hence not available under the Official Information Act etc. I am even more skeptical that any data that didn't support those companies view of the world will ever make it to MPI or the public in it's raw and unaltered form. Our commercial fishing industry is a whole world of spin and deception, with apparently the government and MPI key parts of creating those messages alongside the industry. I can't see anything in the Trident setup that is going to give the public increased faith in what is already generally perceived as a very dodgy industry that is being supported by the government at the public's expense.

So what is the real situation with the monitoring? Do you know John?


Exactly as I see it so far...Nice post


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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 4:53pm
I doubt very much that MPI give two flying cusses about anything written about them on this site.
They used to have a presence on here to clarify rules etc, it was really good, but the guy doing it...off his own bat, got roundly abused by some of the Angry Brigade, and said to hell with it. A loss to this site.

Edit:- I agree with tagit too..., we need some clarification about these cameras and their operations.


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Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

]We have asked for more information in the review of the camera trials by two companies with different systems and the terms of the service contract between Trident and MPI under the Official Information Act. I know that the cameras are on all the time the boats are at sea (port to port) and there will be thousands of hours of footage to store and review.  There is work being done to develop software to automate some of the image scanning to highlight footage that needs reviewing.  

There is also work starting on software to measure each fish on the sorting table on longline boats from camera images, which would be useful.

My view, from knowing the people working in Trident, is that they would not accept taking direction from a fisher or a company on what footage they should view or not,  nor what they do with it.


So are you say then John that you believe these people to have integrity and credibility.


Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 6:50pm
From what I saw here, it seemed that the original owners developed the snap-it cams to a high level and were introducing them everywhere. Then when MPI  announce their plans to monitor boats and in swoops comms with Trident to tender to MPI. Bet the Snap-It boys did well.

It went from a high moral sounding Snap-It to Trident which none of us can be sure of at all. 


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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2016 at 6:59pm
Would you not think that if the answer was very clear and reassuring to us MPI would dive in and inform us promptly?

I think...they can't, or they would. 


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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 5:52am
why did Mr Key come out and say he wanted all trawlers to have a video surveillance system on board so none of this carry on can happen?
now he said something like that to chase off the high numbers of anti that were riding the swell ahead of this when he said it.
since then we find out that was not true, MPI are not insured to supply anything to us,
entretien slipped with a couple of files which have been since hidden.
from every item we have found there supposedly shoveled all the those people out to one side, never to be heard again.
we are been ripped stolen from with no chance of ever taken them to court.

is this the Country that we want to legally let big companies to steam roller the country.?????    


Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 7:49am
[QUOTE=Lethal]why did Mr Key come out and say he wanted all trawlers to have a video surveillance system on board so none of this carry on can happen?
now he said something like that to chase off the high numbers of anti that were riding the swell ahead of this when he said it.
since then we find out that was not true, MPI are not insured to supply anything to us,
entretien slipped with a couple of files which have been since hidden.
from every item we have found there supposedly shoveled all the those people out to one side, never to be heard again.
we are been ripped stolen from with no chance of ever taken them to court.

is this the Country that we want to legally let big companies to steam roller the country.?????  
  
[Reply to your question above lethal apparently the answer is YES. Most of the members on this thread ( briny bar) would prefer to post brag messages about their fishing prowess, lewd photo's or yeah but no but conversations.
They don't really mind that they're being done over ( with their pants still on) don't mind if the DEMOCRACY that once played a huge part in Kiwi's values gets crushed by corporate greed, immigration will solve our problem(s) just as it has done in  ENGLAND.
Lets forget about it and go fishing whilst there's still a few fish to be caught Cry  /QUOTE] Fortunately there are still a few on here who do care about the corrupted political/business being practised with exemption in NZ. Remember it all starts with the price of fish.


Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 8:19am
Do you people realize that MPI was FORCED to disclose information after the - secrets act - was evoked and that this Information that has been conveniently LOST!Thumbs Down

This is how South American dictatorships rule their citizens.

3rd WORLD


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 10:18am
I am not impressed with the idea of fishing companies being involved in the monitoring of these cameras either, Tagit hit the nail on the head in his post above, however I feel that some of us may have missed the reply from the legasea representative here, JohnH, where he has said...

"We have asked for more information in the review of the camera trials by two companies with different systems and the terms of the service contract between Trident and MPI under the Official Information Act. I know that the cameras are on all the time the boats are at sea (port to port) and there will be thousands of hours of footage to store and review. There is work being done to develop software to automate some of the image scanning to highlight footage that needs reviewing.

There is also work starting on software to measure each fish on the sorting table on longline boats from camera images, which would be useful.

My view, from knowing the people working in Trident, is that they would not accept taking direction from a fisher or a company on what footage they should view or not, nor what they do with it.."

This is a very reasoned reply, one that shows that this is still a developing process, one that Legasea is monitoring, and also includes a personal endorsement of the people developing this system by John , someone who is far more likely to be aware of the intricacies of the situation than the general public.
I urge you to take aboard his comments, consider them, and just maybe ratchet the paranoia back a little. Or are you saying that Legasea are "stooges of the MPI" too?
This is a process. Let's see where it leads us for a while before going nuclear about it.

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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2016 at 10:55am
You are right....apart from a major political change.....Legasea is our best bet and I for one feel the best I can do is continue to support them.

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Posted By: PriceofFish
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2016 at 12:14pm
Apparently - Icelandic Fisheries - have spent a lot of time and money developing visual recording devices over the last 10 years. 
Wonder if Trident has looked into this or......will Tridents development costs be a way of pumping up the setup/research costs that may be subsidized by the NZ government? 


Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 1:40pm
if the skippers signed the dotted line before installation of Video surveillance they are free from prosecution, that was the deal from Trident, (who gave them the right, under what Law can anyone justify given immunity from prosecution?)

This will happen when the Hector Dolphin death happened. there was 3deaths by the way not 1, some had been shaken from the net, these were not landed, so are classed as not caught, but are on film as well.

how about we hound the crap out of a couple of trawlers by filming them our selves, would possible need 10 boats to achieve this 24-7.
we could have our own Video surveillance
that way they cant stop a prosecution.

we just need a few bloody big boats to film them Lt Barrier Gt Barrier Coro when the snapper are running full on. Or a bit later in the season when the quota of snapper is just about full when other targets start to full and possible some real over fishing can be recorded, this seam to be when most of the dumping begins.

Their season ends start around 1st of APRIAL.


Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2016 at 2:18pm
interesting"lethal"This will happen when the Hector Dolphin death happened. there was 3deaths by the way not 1, some had been shaken from the net, these were not landed, so are classed as not caught, but are on film as well.

How do you know the footage exist?seen it or hear say?


Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 12:45am
go back throw here you will find it.


Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2016 at 8:09am
Lethal - why not answer the direct question? seems reasonably enough.

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