Gulf fishery plan hits rough water
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Topic: Gulf fishery plan hits rough water
Posted By: Lethal
Subject: Gulf fishery plan hits rough water
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 6:28pm
Gulf fishery plan hits rough water The Government's plan to limit commercial fishing in the Hauraki Gulf has received a less than enthusiastic response from its political opponents, environmentalists and the fishing industry. The plan includes reform of marine protection legislation, and proposes to ban some but not all commercial fishing in new marine parks in the inner Hauraki Gulf and Marlborough Sounds. Commercial fishers will be able to catch certain species, but not those popular with recreational fishers, including snapper, kahawai and john dory.  Customary fishing and marine farming would not be affected. Some petroleum and mineral activity could be allowed. Labour fisheries spokesman Rino Tirikatene said the Government failed to fulfil its pre-election promise after saying all commercial activity would be excluded. Scott Macindoe, spokesman for the recreational fishing lobby LegaSea, said the fishing parks would exist within fully exploited fish stock areas, and so were unlikely to grow the size of fish stocks. The Green Party's environment spokeswoman Eugenie Sage said: "It is tinkering with the existing laws rather than providing the basis for the step change in oceans protection." Sanford chief operations officer Greg Johansson said the company had questions around the impact on quota. "Sanford's preference is an approach where both commercial and recreational fishers are equally responsible for recording, monitoring and managing the health of the fishery." National's Auckland Central MP Nikki Kaye said: "I think the proposed park is aimed to strike the right balance between protecting and managing this valuable area, while ensuring the Hauraki Gulf remains a fisherman's playground." The Government expected to pay up to $20 million to compensate for the commercial quota loss in both areas. Public submissions on the proposal close on May 11. |
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 6:33pm
Revealed: Commercial fishing will be allowed in Hauraki Gulf park Some commercial fishing will be allowed in a proposed new marine park for recreational fishing in the inner Hauraki Gulf. However, the Government plans to banish commercial operators from catching fish that are popular with recreational fishers, including snapper, kahawai and john dory. More details on the controversial Hauraki Recreational Fishing Park have been released today in a discussion document that covers wider reform to marine protection legislation. The new recreational fishing parks will cover parts of the inner Hauraki Gulf and Marlborough Sounds. The precise boundaries of the Hauraki park could change after feedback. Customary fishing and marine farming will not be affected by the creation of recreational fishing parks and some petroleum or minerals activities could be allowed. When the park was first announced before the last election, National said all commercial activity would be excluded. However, it has now proposed allowing commercial fishing of some species, "where there is limited competition between recreational and commercial use of a species and there is a strong rationale for commercial fishing to remain". For example, commercial fishing of flatfish could continue, the discussion document suggests, because they are prolific breeders and are not highly valued by recreational fishers. The Government has proposed banning commercial fishing of snapper, kahawai, john dory, gurnard, tarakihi, trevally and scallops. Flatfish are also included on the proposed ban list, despite also being given as an example of a fish that could continue to be commercially fished. Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy and Environment Minister Nick Smith are due to formally present the Hauraki plans this afternoon. Recreational fishers would still have to obey bag limits in the new parks, where most commercial fishing would be banned. The Government expected to pay up to $20 million to compensate for the commercial quota loss in both areas, and would also have to engage with iwi on the plan. Today's discussion document proposes that compensation will be made after a case-by-case assessment. Any pay-out would take into account "whether there are any measures that would mitigate the effect of a general prohibition on commercial fishing, such as seasonal or species exemptions". Up to 21,000 recreational fishers take to the gulf on a typical summer's day. At present, some snapper, flounder, john dory, crayfish and kahawai are caught commercially within the inner Hauraki Gulf. Details of the proposed scheme have been eagerly awaited since Prime Minister John Key announced the establishment of two marine parks for recreational fishing ahead of the last election. National had initially said it hoped to publish a discussion paper in November 2014, and Labour has criticised the delay as evidence the scheme had not been properly investigated and was an "election campaign gimmick". The party's fisheries spokesman Rino Tirikatene said any detail on the plan could well show that it was "riddled with exclusions and exceptions", such as allowing some species to be caught commercially and customary fishing, that would undermine the original promise. Scott Macindoe, spokesman for LegaSea, an initiative of the NZ Sport Fishing Council, said the time for details to be released pointed to the policy being a populist election sweetener. The fishing parks would exist within larger and fully exploited fish stock areas, and so were unlikely to grow the size of fish stocks, Mr Macindoe said. Tim Pankhurst, chief executive of Seafood New Zealand, said the commercial fishing industry would be interested to see the details including any information on compensation to commercial fishers in the Hauraki. The two species most affected would be snapper in the Hauraki Gulf and cod in the Marlborough Sounds. The inner Hauraki Gulf sits within Snapper 1 -- the area from North Cape to East Cape, where the collision between commercial and recreational fishing interests is most fraught. Evidence that the fishery was in trouble led to proposed cuts in 2013, which triggered protests and a Government backdown. The wider reform detailed today will provide for a range of marine protected areas, with the Government saying the Marine Reserves Act 1971 is not flexible enough. The proposed reform would create four different types of marine protected areas: • Marine reserves, which would be the same as under the current law. • Species-specific sanctuaries, would be similar to marine mammal sanctuaries but also be available to other marine life like albatross or great white sharks. • Seabed reserves, would include prohibitions on seabed mining, bottom trawl fishing and dredging. • Recreational fishing parks, as currently proposed for the inner Hauraki Gulf and Marlborough Sounds. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11572603" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11572603 |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 6:41pm
Well if Commercial fishing is allowed what purpose is the park ? Sounds like the same old bulsht we are given but nothing ever changes .. 'When the park was first announced before the last election, National said all commercial activity would be excluded' "The party's fisheries spokesman Rino Tirikatene said any detail on the plan could well show that it was "riddled with exclusions and exceptions", such as allowing some species to be caught commercially and customary fishing, that would undermine the original promise" flounder set netting has a by catch...snapper , no quota ,more dead fish . ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Lethal wrote:Posted By: brmbrm
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 7:01pm
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"However, the Government plans to banish commercial operators from catching fish that are popular with recreational fishers, including snapper, kahawai and john dory." What load of **** this is. I presume what that means is that the comms catch them then return them (snapper, kahawai, john dory) dead to the sea, returning with whatever else they can slaughter, together with the obligatoru over-fishing, under-reporting and dumpoing of smaller, less profitable take. $$$ $hit
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Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 7:04pm
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Personally I don't have an issue with some of the species like Flounder still being fished commercially. The proposed park would completely kill those fisheries in the HG and their are plenty of people who want to be able to buy a flounder when they want one. Their are also quite a few commercial guys targeting these fish who would be needlessly disadvantaged. In reality the government is loving this debate about the details as it takes the focus off the fact the proposed HG park will achieve virtually nothing as thre industry will still take their 4000 tonnes of snapper TACC and whatever they have for Trevally, Dory etc just as they always have. They will just do it along the edges of the park if there is any potential rebuild happening. Only reducing the TACC will achieve anything, but despite the talk about $20m in compensation I haven't heard that TCC reduction is on teh table.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 7:59pm
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I am very pleased to hear that the flounder fishermen will still be able to work....that would've been a needless injustice to put them out of business. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 9:53pm
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Flounder in my opinion is ok as well .maybe mullet alsol .But a line should be drawn otherwise the list keeps growing ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 10:18pm
its these 2 species which are being use to continue killing more snapper. it needs changing so this stupid system of chasing fish that are not there and killing more snapper in doing so that is part of the problem |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2016 at 10:50pm
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The above is one of the reasons why the Qms needs flushed. How on earth can they say the system is world's best and sustainable with nz being a world leader..self opinionated dribble . First hand on several occasions have observed in close the wastage of small fish..snapper and Gurnard. .many small Gurnard under 150mm and sub 250mm snapper. These get hammered with each set of the Danish Seiners ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |