Rod to Match Stella 14000
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Category: Saltwater Fishing
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Printed Date: 05 Jun 2026 at 5:32am
Topic: Rod to Match Stella 14000
Posted By: KeriBOI
Subject: Rod to Match Stella 14000
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 7:26am
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Looking for suggestions for a Shimano rod to match a Stella 14000 Will be chasing kings in the Bay of Islands and need something with good casting distance. I am also keen to try chucking a sticky at a marlin. ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
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Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 7:30am
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Why Shimao rod when there are so many other options out there? ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 7:37am
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I like :) Ok open to other options but would prefer the rod to match. ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 7:57am
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Best best is to get a custom synit van dieman x46. Seriously a way better rod that even jdm ocea plugger which is their best rod. Had a jigging master ocean devil pe4-8 and the synit walks all over that rod Chloe will get you a wicked black and gold wrap and trim to get it matching like no other |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 8:00am
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X2 for the Synit VD ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2016 at 8:06pm
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What weight lures are you looking at casting? and more so sticks than poppers? probably two of the more important factors to consider. |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 6:26am
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160grams. I like the look of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZiCx-Sqyg0 ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 7:27am
x3 for Synit, Shimano rods are very average at best -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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PE Pete wrote:Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 7:54am
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MC Works - Seven Miles 868HR - PE6-8 - Cast 60-150g. I know of atleast 2 stickbait caught Marlin on these rods. I've now got the lighter model for my Saltiga 5000H. Massive casts too. PM me if you might be keen on purchasing this. 9/10 condition.
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Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 8:21am
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160g baits will limit your selection of rods some will work baits that heavy but 90-140g is a more popular range with rod builders. IMO ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: jac
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 8:26am
| Nothing wrong with the jdm ocea plugger bg. Have owned Ripple Fishers before. My current rods are mc works and the ocea plugger is as good but cheaper |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 9:09am
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160 was going to be max as I would like the try the bonze kaizens. To be honest I have no idea what i am doing so open to all options :) I just know that I want one rod reel setup that can do most things but I really want to try stickbaiting. ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: Kinghitter
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 10:24am
160 grams is a big lure and as above you need a bit of grunt to throw them from your rod. Synit x46 is a great rod for that reel - plus if you are worried about looks you can customise it to match the reel. |
Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 12:48pm
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Yeah as others have mentioned, if your wanting to chuck 160g lures the ocea stickbait is going to be too light (rated for 50-150g and wouldnt want to actually cast 150 with it to be honest) but would be all good on lures in the 70-130 range which gives you a fair amount of lure choices. Obviously depends how much you want to spend too? Have heard good things about the synits too, but doesn't mean thats the only higher ish end option, if you are going to spend that sort of money theres heaps to choose from. If you really want to be able to cast lures over 150g, but don't want to spend alot like sub $500(around the price range of the ocea stickbait) the shimano GT special or bluewater stickbait could be a option, is one for sale in the buy/sell section of the forum for about $350, shimano never bought these into NZ but can buy them ex Australia, have fished them plenty on GT's in Oz etc, and for the money their awesome value. They might not be "the best" but their not $1000 either. Also Daiwa monster mesh max 832, if you can find one is another cheaper option that will cast the 160g kaizen lures. Cheers. |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 1:35pm
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Ok I will flag the Kaizen and stick to 130gram Price of the Ocea Stickbait is ideal. Synit is getting up there but seems to be worth it. MC works looks great but the wife might find out. ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 1:37pm
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So how would this rate against a synit if I was to limit at 130grams? http://www.marine-deals.co.nz/shimano-stella-14000-swbxg-and-t-curve-ocea-stickbait-combo?___store=default&nosto=nosto-page-product3 ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: Marknado4000
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:19pm
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Not well, cheap massproduced shimano vs NZ handmade, not to mention the alloy alps reel seat and only 8' Synit is the go, the other option if you can find a good deal, what I have is the Kilwell Xantu PE6 (60-140g), like the Synit;Handmade in NZ, top quality Fuji gear, 8'3, lifetime guarantee etc Very nice  You spent good money on a reel do the same on the rod! |
Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:20pm
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Hey Dane, i haven't fished with a synit but have fished with all sorts of offerings from shimano, daiwa, yamaga, okuma, ripple fisher etc and if your just looking at using it for kingfish in NZ as opposed to GT's, and with stickbaits more so than poppers the ocea stickbait is a fine rod. Some may say the synits way better, but its also probably 2-3 times the price, and i don't know if you really twice or 3 times the rod for the money. I'm personally not a huge fan of the split style top/front grips on the ocea stickbait and prefer solid grips the whole way top and bottom but thats just me( find it easier to get my front hand up higher on the grip in a hurry after a hook up)this is more so when fighting GT's though as generally using alot more drag early on/ needing to turn the fish as soon as possible. For stickbaits in the 80-110 area(which there is heaps of selection) the ocea is ideal though, wouldn't go lighter than 65/70g or heavier than 130g though. Check this vid out, gives you an idea of what they are like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNggtJCKbm0 |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:20pm
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Hope that helps double Marlin caught on Carpenter BLC83/35 on small boat and boys smash some more on the big boats too. -------------   WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: Pico
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:20pm
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This is a good deal on an offshore rod.. http://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/offshore-elite-superjig-and-offshore-illusion-pss_topic117288.html I've got the same one and despite the 150-200gm rating it's actually more suited to 100-130gm stickbaits... but does have enough grunt to cast and work a 150gm Nomad skipjack popper
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Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:31pm
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Marknado4000
Yeah its one of those things, where you get what you pay for to an extenet / kinda. I don't think you are going to get a rod for $1000 give or take that is 2-3 times better, in all areas of performance & feel than a $400-500 shimano, yes they might be a bit better but not 3 times better. With the alloy alps reel seat, i don't see that as making much diffeence( and i own a couple of jigging rods with them ) nothing wrong with the apls but composite / plastic reel seats especially if they are fuji do the job just as good and sometimes better with certain reels. The ocea has fuji components, k guides etc so is not like its utter trash, alot of rod for the money but just my 2c. |
Posted By: Marknado4000
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:40pm
Yeh mate, agreed with all of the above, the ocea would definitely do the trick, up to the OP where the wallet stops haha.
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Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 2:51pm
| Another option is to look at Smiths Stickbait rods. I managed to knock over a stripey on my GTK 77 SJH model. Very nice rods those Smiths |
Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 3:25pm
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Marknado4000, Yeah always a toss up, whether you pull the trigger and say i want the best, stuff the money. Or whether you say i want to spend X amount and achieve X results, then you try find the best for that amount of money. Just a thought here guys, awesome to see Marlin on topwater,one thing i find quite intersting and ill probably going to cop flack for saying this, (ive never caught a marlin on stickbait by the way, its on the list) when we're talking about how "good" a topwater stickbait / popper rod is i personally don't think a marlin is a real test or indicator for alot of these rods in terms of a how well they go fighting most fish being as how it is a much different fight to say a large GT or XL kingfish in (generally) shallower water - marathon vs powerlifter type comparison. |
Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 3:30pm
By the way DenimViper i'm not knocking your catch, read your report, hella impressive on pretty light gear by alot of peoples standards (the 80lb leader and 10,000 size reel is what stuck out to me) |
Posted By: DenimViper
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 3:31pm
I totally agree fishy 11, although it was 1hr 20 fight on the marlin it was more or less just tug of war and there is no pressure of turning the head before it heads for the reef like a donkey would. In my case the rod if med range model so still a good effort for 110kg fish 
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Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 3:45pm
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Yeah mate, as i said that is definately up there, like bucket list - marlin on topwater and doing it on that gear is real fishing in my book. Very different fight as you said though, 40-50kg GT, kingfish could be a sub 5-10min fight on topwater sometimes, but is make or break in the first part of the fight, generally alot more drag being used so rod selection should match that. Even kings vs GT's is still a little different, i personally think in most cases you can get away with a more forgiving (on the angler) rod, less backbone / lifting power needed with kings and marlin. (obviously a 40kg king of the rocks is the exception to this) |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 5:31pm
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Bend all the rods above and see what you like I had a jm ocean devil stickbait, but didn't really like it. Bent yamaga, ripple fisher, ocea plugger, Smith and a few others. The synit just felt better straight away to me so got one custom built to match my saltiga 5000h Mostly cast 80-120g lures on it and it casts a mile even with my technique, and so easy to work the lures |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 5:52pm
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One of the things I like to consider when buying gear is picture the biggest model of your target, in my case mostly Kings & then imagine it tearing off with your expensive lure. Knowing I've got the best gear I can afford gives me a sense of confidence. There have been many valid points raised in this thread with lots of good rod suggestions. For me the confidence comes from using a product that has been hand made here in NZ by expert rod building artisans who I can contact & talk to if I have any questions. Just as an aside I also really like to support local where I can. Pete ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: Fishy11
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2016 at 6:56pm
Some good points PE Pete, only thing is some of the fish i go after still tear off with your expensive lures even with the best best gear  Thats why its fishing though i guess. |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2016 at 7:19am
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Wow so much to think about guys. Will have a good look around at the boat show. I liked the price of the shimanos! ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2016 at 7:59am
Very well said it is called fishing not catching for a reason  ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: KeriBOI
Date Posted: 02 May 2016 at 7:08am
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I went to Yeehaa in the weekend. What an awesome shop. I stood the Carpenter next to the Shimano Plugger and decided that I will go with the JDM Shimano and Stella 14000. If I really enjoy I will look at a better rod further later on. ------------- Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes! |