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Topic: Yamaha f130a or Suzuki df140
Posted By: BattleCat
Subject: Yamaha f130a or Suzuki df140
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2016 at 9:56pm
So with my boat repairs underway have been getting prices for a new outboard.

My current outboard 2001 Yamaha 115 2 stroke w/ 600hrs on a 6m Circa

Yamaha 130 came back with 22775 fitted and a 3k trade in
Suzuki 140 was 20775 and a 6.5k trade.

At the moment Yamaha has some good finance 3.99%

I feel more inclined towards Yamaha for holding its value. But Suzuki is the cheaper option. I've got the cash but would finance 10k maybe

Anyone care to weigh in?




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Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2016 at 10:18pm
I don't think the Yamaha resale argument holds much value these days over a Suzuki. Certainly not the value of the difference in purchase price you give above. As for quality, I think it would be fair to say that Yamaha whilst leading the pack in old 2 stroke quality is just a mid field player in 4 strokes. Suzuki whilst having smaller market presence has had a fraction of the major design/quality issues that Yamaha have had. Personally I would have chosen the DF140 at even money. With that sort of discount over the Yamaha it is a no brainer for me.


Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2016 at 11:13pm
Look at how Yamaha treated it's loyal buyers over a manufacturing fault when the exhausts started corroding and how the owners had to fork out to get them fixed themselves.

Suzuki's cheaper, will hold it's value just as much as the Yam and I think you will find in head to head tests it burns considerably less fuel as well.

I honestly don't see the point in buying anything other than Honda or Suzuki, they are streaks ahead of every other manufacturer.


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2016 at 11:49pm
Both are good brands, and I assume good motors. At 5k cheaper it's an easy choice.


Posted By: harryh
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 11:47am
Sounds like a very good deal for the Suzy, would be worth looking into the 150 Suzy price with that difference as it would suit a 6m Circa pretty well I would imagine


Posted By: Gowest
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 1:04pm
Yeah mate go the 150DF for a 6m boat exactly what I got on a Bonito622 and cant fault it. One thing  I have heard about the Yamaha same size engine and boat is the hole shot is not that great whereas the Suzuki is great as I think they have slightly more torque


Posted By: Muzzfishing
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 4:30pm
Yamaha resale must be good if they are prepared to give you 6.5 k trade in.  Or they really want your business either way you cant lose. 

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Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 9:18pm
Yeah the Mercury/Suzuki dealer said 6.5k (haven't workshop appraised it) whereas the Yamaha dealer said if all was in order 3k.

Suzuki finance was 12.95, it stil works out cheaper in the long run haha

I don't see the point in jumping to the 150, I mean the 115 2 stroke was plenty power for me boat. With 40kg heavier and more oil capacity the 150. The 140 seems the perfect the size


Posted By: Denny Boy
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 10:07pm
Hi Battlecat-I can't vouch for the Yamaha but I can for the Suk. I have a 140 on my 5.8 Senator and you're dead right on the weights between the 140 and 150. A lot more weight comparatively for not much more power. The 140 is a bulletproof unit and I think the most economical of all of the OB's of this size. Anyway it goes like a rocket on my boat and heaps of hole shot, you won't be disappointed. I'm a person that won't go near any motor (car or boat) that has a cam belt being a one-time mechanic and seeing the damage a broken cam belt can cause. I believe this new F130 has a cam belt whereas the Suk has an oil bath cam chain. Good luck on your choice.


Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 11:43pm
I'd look at putting the motor on the mortgage or a personal loan from the bank. At current rates that's much less than 12%. 


Posted By: yknot
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 5:25am
Wait couple of months till boat show and see what deals are on offer there. Also try an agent in different town, they all have different price structures and you may be surprised like myself.

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Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 6:00am
Yeah I had thought about that, I like to buy local tho. These were field days specials from dargaville.

Either way it's gunna cost roughly the same with the different interest rates. Will ring Yamaha dealer and confirm their interest rate.


Posted By: Time_Bandit
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 8:48am
finance 3.99% really cant find anything bout this on the net ????


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Posted By: MikeAqua
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 11:54am
AN argument for the 150 is it has the same block as the 175 so it's not working very hard.  But it is extra weight and $.


Posted By: pompey
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 1:00pm
Having owned a couple of 150 Yamaha 4 strokes, I would go for the Suzuki.


Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 1:30pm
Seen the 3.99% on Facebook.

But have just rung Yamaha dealer and he's confirmed it


Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 2:47pm
Both manufacturers have a history of leaving their owners with nasty bills for quality/design issues outside the warranty period. The big difference is that whilst you can go through many of the Yamaha models from F115 through to F350 and find examples of this (at least one leading to threats of class action in the US courts), the Suzuki cases that I am aware of have been limited to just a couple of models and year groups. 

I am not enough of a gambler to buy another F series Yamaha. Having had 3 of them to look after, that is what my experience tells me buying a 4th would be. So far we are batting 66% in spending big money to sort out generic design/manufacturing issues of F series Yamahas. I don't know that Suzuki have a much better attitude, but they seem to have better design/quality control based on what has been happening in the real world. 

The cost of owning an engine doesn't stop at writing the purchase cheque, and the cost of fixing some of the issues that Yamaha have had has been $1000's rather than $100's. Are the current series engines better than the last series? The dealers will tell you yes, but only time will tell the real story, as it did for the previous models.


Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 5:09pm
After doing a fair bit of research i opted for Honda. All good thus far.


Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 5:57pm
Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

After doing a fair bit of research i opted for Honda. All good thus far.


I did glance at Honda quite heavy tho huh


Posted By: Time_Bandit
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by BattleCat BattleCat wrote:

Seen the 3.99% on Facebook.

But have just rung Yamaha dealer and he's confirmed it
that a great rate!!!

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Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 8:09pm
Originally posted by Time_Bandit Time_Bandit wrote:

Originally posted by BattleCat BattleCat wrote:

Seen the 3.99% on Facebook.

But have just rung Yamaha dealer and he's confirmed it

that a great rate!!!


It really is. Only 1% more than savings account. As my boss said use their money at that rate. Less than a grand in interest over the whole 3yr haha


Posted By: Seadoc
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2016 at 8:37pm
I am not aware of any problems with the F115/130 block. Anybody here had any?


Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2016 at 8:49am
A grand over 3 years is a lot of fishing money. No point having savings when you have a loan.

Never heard anything bad about Suzukis. Would take the Suzuki deal in a heartbeat.


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Posted By: Davo
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2016 at 9:05am
i did 1200 or so hours on my detuned suzuki 140s (a 90 and a 115) and was very pleased with their reliability and efficiency. if I was to buy new again I'd be going with suzuki again in a heartbeat. Honda would also be on my list to compare prices with. cheers


Posted By: Pro Fish
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2016 at 10:21pm
Suzuki All Day



Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 7:35pm
So I have opted for the Suzuki 140.

Better communication, better deal just a better overall experience dealing with Warren Hay Marine, especially dealing with Warren himself.

Have heard nothing from Yamaha dealer for 2 weeks, asked them to go down and check over engine for trade price. Also to email finance details - nothing. not impressed but, after talking to a few people they're not surprised. oh well.

Boat has been painted, transom had some serious corrosion under outboard bracket(got repaired), windscreen was starting to go on.







Posted By: Pro Fish
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 8:25pm
Good call, you will not be disappointed and yup no surprise on your experience with Yammy.
A number of the Yamaha middle managers at boat shows demonstrate a real arrogance about them - maybe 10 years ago when there was less competition this behavior was 'ok' but now we have stronger options in the market.


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 10:06pm
That is the attitude shown by yamaha that made me, until then a keen Yamaha guy, buy all my new motors in 2014 from suzuki, who were a pleasure and very easy to deal with. Only small beer to Yamaha, but let's see, a 250, 5x 90s, 4 x 60, a 20 and a 2.5 all off suzuki.
Not, I am sure, that the akld Yamaha corporate boys give a stuff.

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Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer.


Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2016 at 10:35pm
Battlecat--good choice. When you find a dealer that gives good communication, positive attitude and a good deal you can be sure of one thing--that they have confidence in their product.


Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2016 at 6:17am
Going to look sharp when she's done.
Have certainly noticed more dukes around these days , bet yammies market share in n.z has taken a hammering .
Maybe the importer is operating out of Ozzi or the states and just doesn't care ?.


Posted By: JustAnotherSpearo
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2016 at 9:10am
My father went through a similar process. In dec 2013 we wanted a 100hp yammy 4 stroke. Went to the same dealer as you. Got quoted $18885. Told couldnt have it on till after christmas. One phone call to Active Outboards. And the 90hp suzuki for $15500 was a no brainer. Not to mention they put a loan motor on so we were on the water for christmas.

End of 2015 got a new 12.5ft tinny. Same process. Ended up getting the 25hp 4 stroke suzuki from warren.

You wont be dissapointed with the suzuki extremely happy with them and the service you get at warren hay


Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2016 at 10:24pm
Good to hear man never bought a new machine bit nervous about it but it should be awesome.

Some serious rebuild on transom as it was quite rotten under old motor

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B42F56Ko0v00Vk9yaFlUN2txcjg





Originally posted by JustAnotherSpearo JustAnotherSpearo wrote:

My father went through a similar process. In dec 2013 we wanted a 100hp yammy 4 stroke. Went to the same dealer as you. Got quoted $18885. Told couldnt have it on till after christmas. One phone call to Active Outboards. And the 90hp suzuki for $15500 was a no brainer. Not to mention they put a loan motor on so we were on the water for christmas.

End of 2015 got a new 12.5ft tinny. Same process. Ended up getting the 25hp 4 stroke suzuki from warren.

You wont be dissapointed with the suzuki extremely happy with them and the service you get at warren hay


Posted By: BattleCat
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2016 at 8:53am


Got the boat back on Friday, and took it out yesterday. I can say that I am absolutely pleased the Suzuki 140, so quiet, hasn't changed the way the boat sits in the water. Why didn't I go four stroke sooner I kept asking myself.

So did 85km (from tutukaka to north then out to taiharuru reef and back to tutukaka) and used 38L. Trolling speed uses 4.7-5.3L/hr and cruising at 4k rpm uses about 13L/hr. Averages 2.3km/L

It's almost 1/3 of what the yam 115 used in that distance and what with most of it sitting at 4k rpm.
WOT reaches 63km/hr

Very happy


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2016 at 9:24am
Be sure to tell that to the guys at the Yamaha stand at the boatshow, lol.

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It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection.

Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer.


Posted By: rahui
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2016 at 1:51pm
what a great thread, yam smell of arrogance, they have the lions share of the market but wont keep it with that service, good on ya


Posted By: ikanui
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2023 at 9:59am

Hi, have come across this thread when looking to re-power my 6m circa and looking for reviews on the 140 Suzy. Now that the honeymoon period is over, how is the combo going Battlecat? 


Posted By: Mc Tool
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2023 at 2:54pm
Well  the zuki seems the deal but , 600hrs aint a whole big lot  on the old ( proven ) motor . Your still lookin at 18k  plus any interest to buy new . 18k gets you at least 6000 litres of fuel which @ 20l/hr is 300 hrs motoring, figure in that the new donk will use say 10l/hr anyway and you have 600 hrs the difference . How long would it take you to do 600hrs ( and dont say 600 hrs either Tongue)I mean how many years would it take to tick up 600hrs in the boat .

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Posted By: ikanui
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2023 at 3:10pm
For me, the decision to repower was really due to the current motor (2013 115 etec, gen 1) starting to rack up the service bills and becoming unreliable with warning alarms going off during most trips. The latest being the flywheel magnets coming loose which a quick google search seems to be a common and expensive fault. I no longer have the confidence in it to go out wide, so boating (especially taking the kids out) loses its gloss pretty quick. 
Have made the call to go for the Suzuki DF140BGT, hopefully can post some positive reviews on it after the summer!


Posted By: DIY
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2023 at 3:32pm
I have a 2019 DF140 with about 180hrs and it has been faultless. It is on a Seaforce 530 and economy is great at about 650ml/nm.

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