whats going on
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Topic: whats going on
Posted By: straks007
Subject: whats going on
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 5:38pm
Life ain't all bad mate, the Warriors are in the final.
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Posted By: dalgo
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 5:50pm
A couple of contrasting news items I noticed recently - NZ unemployment rate is now 5.3%, in Spain it is 20.9%. Meanwhile thousands of Kiwi expats are returning home from aussie because our economy is doing better. Personally I reckon NZ is the best country in the world and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 6:13pm
On Friday westpac bank annouced with the drop in unemployment it may take a further 6 months before they drop the interest rate.
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Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 6:25pm
Lowest interest rates,lowest oil prices in 12 years and lowest unemployment in 9 years.great sports teams and best fishing I've had in a January.But if you want some financial advice from me it would be don't go through the banks to get a house,go to mike Pero as he can make you look better than than you are .and get you a better rate.and try buying a rented out property as banks will be happier to lend for a rental property with tennents.and maybe buy outside of Auckland ,Dargaville must come one day or other places with lots of Maori because they were here first and know all the good spots.But if you do move into your rental property you can get a big tax bill.
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Posted By: Clutch
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:02pm
The place is going to ****
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Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:08pm
Clutch wrote:
The place is going to **** |
Well four stars is OK.But yeah in 20 years the gulf will be full of container ships filling the malls and all the obese people will have groceries delivered to their home and neighbors will be secluded and the anti depressant pills will contaminate the drinking water.
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Posted By: straks007
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:11pm
Bloody Warriors
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:14pm
doom and gloom, never ends. What is the answer.
getting sick of it to be honest.
I would love to see full employment, people happy. NZ has had to compete in the world, without subsidies for a long time.
Wake up
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Posted By: Xtoad
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:22pm
Go here Lingee... http://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/catch-of-the-day_topic104508_page48.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/catch-of-the-day_topic104508_page48.html ...and cheer the hell up
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Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 7:24pm
The answer is blowing in the wind mate.Bob Marley once said" no worries."
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 8:05pm
Moving this to the politics forum guys......
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Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 8:16pm
OK were moving guys,lines up.make sure the berley pots up as well.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 8:19pm
Lol, easier said than done, having issues doing it with this damn iPad.
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Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 8:20pm
Posted By: Godders
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2016 at 8:26pm
Lots of sign on the sounder here!!!
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Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 5:56pm
mangre 2 wrote:
doom and gloom, never ends. What is the answer.
getting sick of it to be honest.
I would love to see full employment, people happy. NZ has had to compete in the world, without subsidies for a long time.
Wake up
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Ironic is it not that before all the so called good and necessary things were introduced we had near full employment, you could buy a house and bring up a family on one income, every worker earned a liveable wage, we had more hospitals and schools, our Uni students were actively head hunted from overseas before they had completed their studies, our children left school being able to read and write properly, we had loads of manufacturing and assembly industries and a small spread out population. Sure we did not have thirty different models of car/cell pone/TV's/computers et al to choose from. However what we did have was of reasonable quality and modern technology would still have come. We then had Rogernomics, the Mother of all budgets, the ECA and now the TPPA. All were/are supposed to make the country wealthy and along with it all of its citizens. We now have a much larger centrally condensed population, virtually non existent manufacturing and assembly industries, less hospitals, less schools, many kids are leaving school with no reading/writing or arithmetic skills, Uni students are having to find work now, house prices in Auckland are over priced for the poor quality being built. The general person can no longer buy a house and bring up a family on one income, we have cheap shoddy and sometimes dangerous goods flood our $2 economy and with the increase in population one would expect prices for services to come down. Economy of scale and all that. Yet it has gone the other way. The "real" cost of living, not the touchy feely feel good one is really high. On the plus side, we have a huge choice and variety of what we can buy. Even if it only lasts a year and is imported. Frankly I feel privileged to have grown up in the pre Douglas era. The youth of today have no idea what a paradise or Godzone NZ really was until the free market deregulated global economy ideologues got their hands on the reigns of power. Some will throw the old Telecom example around about waiting days for a phone connection. From my experience, not much has changed, especially when Chorus is involved. Back then, who cared. They will also throw the old we would have been bankrupt without those changes, Mmmmm. We are a hundred odd billion in debt and rising daily today. I still remember our old party line. The young can look that up and have a laugh.  Rose tinted glasses I suppose. However I despair at what I see happening today and what is in store for my grandchildren. Apologize for the grump. My RC car has just blown a driveshaft and I needed a place to vent. Thanks. 
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 8:49pm
Thing is, if you were to tell folks things were going to be awesome just like the good old days, they just have to live in exactly the same way as then.... A tv every second house, rattletrap cars, one per family, none of the huge array of modern gadgetry that is considered necessary today then they'd politely tell you to take a nice long stroll on a very short jetty. Women socially constrained to being Housewives, no careers or more than the most basic part tine work, unless in a profession such as nursing or teaching....and then only as a choice between work or family. That will immediately eliminate unemployment as there would be half the workforce left. Harking back to a simpler, easier time is lovely, but it is indeed a fair bit of Rose tinting, and I personally would not at all be interested in rolling back the clock. If for no other reason than I would quite like to avail myself of some of those awful modern fripperies like healthcare, travel, entertainment, food, technology.....all that awful stuff. Forty years ago, we got a 24inch colour to, a Sanyo. Cost TWELVE HUNDRED DOLLARS!!!! Bloody amazing amount of money to spend on a to. My mates from school came around to look at the colour pictures!!! Woah! Stuff these days is So much cheaper, better, and readily available for everyone. People these days I strongly expect would not be willing to swap today's lifestyles for the frugality and limited options of fifty years ago. Or at least that is what I think. I know my father never ever would waste money on any silly RC car.....
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Posted By: REIVER
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2016 at 9:14pm
Not just NZ though. People from other countries are incensed at what is happening. Not just narrow minded myopic luddites who don't trust John Key
https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153498433046939/?pnref=story
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 2:39am
its really funny about TPPA, NZ have been for ever ripped off by other countries so they can protect their farmers, then they have the check to ask if we could teach them how we farm. and we do. Kiwi Fruit Sheep Farming milking Cows mussel farms we send some of the best away over sea, to compete against ourselves, short term gains, stupid Kiwis. when you see the people of America protesting about TPP you start to wounder,
there is a huge problem with this whole affair, and its CHINA if they decide to pull the pin in supplying just the USA it will crumble
supplies are kept at a point that even a day of delay could course human suffering,
medical supplies can you believe that USA developed relies on CHINA for them to produce antibodies that are essential for some of their own medicine,
now after all these years of being screwed with Tariffs applied to our products we join these countries to probably get screwed even more.
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Posted By: puff
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 7:27am
I think marvin gaye wrote about this subject once, and did a lecture about it to music.....
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Posted By: letsgetem
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 10:13am
I think - it defies logic, to expect the TPPA to be a net benefit to us. If it was, other countries would have to lose, and as they are far bigger and more influential than us, that isn't likely. I think its part of an on-going takeover by big corporate business. And the objective of big business is to improve the lot of a few.
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 11:02am
v8-coupe wrote:
mangre 2 wrote:
doom and gloom, never ends. What is the answer.
getting sick of it to be honest.
I would love to see full employment, people happy. NZ has had to compete in the world, without subsidies for a long time.
Wake up
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Ironic is it not that before all the so called good and necessary things were introduced we had near full employment, you could buy a house and bring up a family on one income, every worker earned a liveable wage, we had more hospitals and schools, our Uni students were actively head hunted from overseas before they had completed their studies, our children left school being able to read and write properly, we had loads of manufacturing and assembly industries and a small spread out population. Sure we did not have thirty different models of car/cell pone/TV's/computers et al to choose from. However what we did have was of reasonable quality and modern technology would still have come. We then had Rogernomics, the Mother of all budgets, the ECA and now the TPPA. All were/are supposed to make the country wealthy and along with it all of its citizens. We now have a much larger centrally condensed population, virtually non existent manufacturing and assembly industries, less hospitals, less schools, many kids are leaving school with no reading/writing or arithmetic skills, Uni students are having to find work now, house prices in Auckland are over priced for the poor quality being built. The general person can no longer buy a house and bring up a family on one income, we have cheap shoddy and sometimes dangerous goods flood our $2 economy and with the increase in population one would expect prices for services to come down. Economy of scale and all that. Yet it has gone the other way. The "real" cost of living, not the touchy feely feel good one is really high. On the plus side, we have a huge choice and variety of what we can buy. Even if it only lasts a year and is imported. Frankly I feel privileged to have grown up in the pre Douglas era. The youth of today have no idea what a paradise or Godzone NZ really was until the free market deregulated global economy ideologues got their hands on the reigns of power. Some will throw the old Telecom example around about waiting days for a phone connection. From my experience, not much has changed, especially when Chorus is involved. Back then, who cared. They will also throw the old we would have been bankrupt without those changes, Mmmmm. We are a hundred odd billion in debt and rising daily today. I still remember our old party line. The young can look that up and have a laugh.  Rose tinted glasses I suppose. However I despair at what I see happening today and what is in store for my grandchildren. Apologize for the grump. My RC car has just blown a driveshaft and I needed a place to vent. Thanks. 
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A lot of valid comments there V8 but you forgot the following that were supposed to bring economies as a result of competition ....... Yeah right ! :- Opening up power supply to all comers. Ditto with telecommunications yet takes 6 hrs. to get a reply call from Spark ( ex telecom ) Combining the Auckland councils into a super city & we all know what a mess that caused. GST applied to rates, fines, RUC, car & dog registration etc. which are virtually a tax on taxes. Removing road tax refunds with the exception of farmers on non road use eg boats, mowers etc. Food after purchasing may not have lasted as long, but it was chemical & chickens hormone free Must be a heap of other things re the downsides of so called progress but let's not forget the positives such as cars being more affordable, along with fuel ( yes surprisingly enough compared to income ) & definitely far more reliable ( or maybe in your case drive shafts excepted ) testimony being the almost total demise of motor re conditioners. Electronic or electronic goods are definitely more affordable, can remember when an electric jug was considered to be a generous wedding gift & who bothers to have a tv repaired anymore. These supposed positives bring their own problems of course such as the disposal of all the now throwaway goods that have been created along with all the plastics & packaging. At the ever increasing rate the changes are happening, can but wonder where we will be in 30 yrs ?
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2016 at 2:02pm
"Bazza" just going through the change now,fromspark to trust power,spark unlimited broadband is going from $95 to $115, by swapping to trust power and we save $30 pm on power and 1st yr broadband unlimited to $45pm then after 12 months up to $75,catch is we are locked in for 24 months
Rang spark and the answer??? well thats the price thats it no deals to be done,so we are swapping with that attitude
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