(sorted now cheers) Tiagra 50w or 80w.
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Topic: (sorted now cheers) Tiagra 50w or 80w.
Posted By: BeastMode
Subject: (sorted now cheers) Tiagra 50w or 80w.
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 7:03pm
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Newbie post... Feel free to move it. I'm wanting to slowly get set up for Marlin (5.5m Surteees Hardtop). Will start with a couple of rod and reels and plan to add more and outriggers etc as the money comes in. I imagine it will be Stripeys if I'm lucky...with plenty to learn :) I'm looking at getting a couple of Tiagra sets? Should I go 24kg (50 wides) or 36kg set ups (80 wides)? Or even 80+braid with mono top shot on 50w's? Any others recommendations on gear to get me started? Two rod/reels and I'm happy to buy good gear but hate replacing things early from growing out of them. With that in mind and where things are heading with Gamefishing what would you buy? Cheers in advance.
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Posted By: Sambosi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 7:10pm
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i would go 50 wides. when i started i brought a mixture, 2x50w, 2x80w and a tld50 the tld50 has more marlin to its name than any of the others so another option at around half the cost go for outriggers, i would go for 50 wides ... or tld 50s and spend the money on outriggers you save, as you say you can always go braid and top shot the 50 wides |
Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 7:16pm
| Go 80 . 37kg line obviously stronger and you never know when u mite get something realy big on . Not eady trying to work a dead blue off the bottom with 24 ! I went 24 when i setup for standup thinking they wiuld be easier to handle but affter using 80s on standup they are just the same as theres not realy much weight to lift if your harness is setup right . |
Posted By: :Hunter:
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 7:48pm
| 80s good but quite big for stand up. I've gone 50's spooled with braid and a top shot of 80lb mono, best of both worlds in my opinion. I did get the reels blue printed by swordfish Steve to handle the extra drag settings. Depends if you are concerned about records/ competition s though, don't think braid is igfa but I'm not worried about those, just enjoy catching fish. |
Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 8:23pm
| Man buy talicas. But 50s are heaps. Some colapsable outriggers will work well on ur surtees.5.5 |
Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 8:45pm
| 50wide tiagras on 24 kg are better than your TLD 50 or equivalent on big marlin. 80s and 80ws for blues. I have both you don't really want a blue on a standard 50 but a 50wide tiagra would give you good shot on a blue if line is good and skipper is on to it. You need capacity to handle big runs before you ever get to line weight if you need to lift one.: |
Posted By: BeastMode
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 8:53pm
| Cheers guys. Appreciate all this. |
Posted By: Toe Knee
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2016 at 9:50pm
| Nah, Penn mate |
Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 1:52am
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Blues on 50s are easily do-able. You have a small manoeuvrable boat....drive the boat to the fish. Braid and topshot gives you loads of line capacity
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Posted By: yeahbuoy!
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 2:25am
| Why can't you catch blues on a 50W? Pretty sure people have caught broadies as well as blues on tld50s (one blue off whangarei this month I believe?) I would personally rather have outriggers and 4-5 x tld 50s onboard as opposed to 2 or 3 80w |
Posted By: huntaway.tom
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 6:50am
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when i first started i went all out and bought 4 80's. a couple of years a go i traded 2 of them in for 50's. as the guy before said if you aren't gonna fish comps then dont worry about mono and go for braid/hollowcore. swordfish steve can upgrade drags on penn 50s to get more out of them. 80's are heavy and a pain in the arse to store, transport, carry etc ... but they do look mean
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Posted By: huntaway.tom
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 6:57am
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the thing about 80's is that your only ever going to use them trolling. where as a 50 or maybe even better a 30 with braid (to get the line capacity), you could use for kings or puka. for guys like me who might only do 10-15 days trolling a year, i hate having all this money tied up in something that doesnt get used that often.
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Posted By: segador
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 7:22am
| fished 80w for 2 seasons very heavy setups bit of overkill for stripeys changed to 50w with 37 kilo braid and mono topshot great to use on stripeys and still have the same amount of line as a 80 incase the big girl jumps on |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 7:26am
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I agree with the 50W point of view. Even 15 kg is easy-peasy for stripies. I've caught over 30 stripies and seen, perhaps, 200+ marlin and maybe struck 1 blue. I have 3 x 50w, one with 600 M of braid + 600 M of 37 kg mono (Makaira reel, might reverse that line but it's been a fish catcher), another Makaira with 1500 M of 60 lb braid and a Duel (my old warhorse) with 1500 m of 37 braid - all used for standup. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 7:40am
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2x 50w, fully loaded with braid, to wind on leader, simple easy effective lightweight and mega line capacity.
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Posted By: BeastMode
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 8:43am
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Awesome. Stoked with all the advice. |
Posted By: TIN RIB
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 9:12am
I have 5 x 80w Tiagras on a 6.5m ally and use on both coasts and have had times we have hooked up and been very thankful we ran 80w's but have just recently bought 4 x 30w LRS and running 80lbs Daiwa Boat Braid and 75m of 50lbs topshot ... haven't been run yet but will be very soon ... hope I dont regret it 
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Posted By: TIN RIB
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 9:15am
| Agree the 80w are bulky to store but they also give a level of comfort when running along the 500m line behind the Mercs - I dont have any problem with the weight fishing Stand Up |
Posted By: Gowest
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 9:51am
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Get the 50w Tiagra LRS/Talica 50 or similar reels and go braid or hollow braid then mono topshot. Or you can look for some second hand standard shimano or Penn 50 wides and get Swordfishsteve to pimp the drags. You'll get as much stopping power as an 80 and will as much 80lb line on there as an 80w which sorts your capacity issue ( effectively an 80w reel ). plus I imagine from a small trailer boat 50s would a lot more practical taking up less room, not so bulky to handle, would be a heap less weight which in turn also helps your boat and crews efficiency. Fishing stand up and green crew or novice fishos would be a lot easier with the 50s especially when it comes to the end game and if the angler needs to take evasive action with the gear and fish diving under the boat etc. For your scenario on a trailer boat go the pimped 50s bro   |
Posted By: robbosaur
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 2:22pm
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Don't want high jack the thread but - next question. What rod would you guys pair a tld50 to if its going to serve a dual purpose of game and bottom fishing ? Full roller or roller tip ? I'm going to dig my short arms into my deep pockets and gear up a bit better for this season. Have to buy 3 sets of gear. cheers, r |
Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 2:22pm
| Ok any of u guys with 80s wanna swap for 50s then pm me ... |
Posted By: -prozac-
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 5:23pm
| I'd say 50w, 80w tiagra's are quite heavy and bulky, in a small boat it'd be a lot easier to move around the cockpit etc with a 50 on your front, I have 3 penn 50vw's, a 70vs and a tld30. Occasionally fish solo too, where 50's would be easier to manage, especially end of a fight when your worn out/buzzing trying to un clip a harness to get reel into a holder to trace fish. Saw an article in an old Marlin mag, yanks were using penn 30w filled with 130lb braid to pitch bait blue marlin due to size and weight of reel, easier to manage |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 6:45pm
Also if you stick with 50W's get Swordfish Steve to upgrade the drag to an 80 and then get him to fill with Jerry Brown hollow core and a top shot then you will have 1000 yards of 80lb line and will enjoy the less weight and bulk of a 50 compared to an 80. 
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Posted By: BeastMode
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2016 at 6:53pm
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Sweet. I'm thinking 50s with top shot as per a few of the posts. |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 7:36am
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The STD Shimano rod on combo Tiagra stand up, roller tip only rod is great, TI 24SU...it is cheap enough, takes a beating and can handle the braid. No need to top shot with anything, braid straight to leader. With the reel full of braid you will have plenty of time...
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Posted By: andrem
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 7:53am
I am sure the braid to leader does work fine, reason i and other run top-shots of mono are 1) easier for the skipper to see (i find) 2) more abrasion resistance at or coming up to the boat (you feel safer driving aggressively) 3) we use the 100m as a good indicator as try not to let the fish get off the mono (stripies) 4) Mono topshot helps as a shock absorber if you use a mono like varivas its very thin, just PR it of the braid and away you go. Coming back to the original question. I started my gamefishing in a surtees 5.5, started with 80s on the basis that if you get the fish of a lifetime you dont want to loose it. As well as the 80s now have a set of 30wlrs loaded with 600m of 80lb braid with 100m topshot of 37kg mono. these are the go to set for stripes now along with the light-guage hooks and aggressive driving. if i was starting again and only had the budget for 1 set would be talica 50 or tiagra 50 with braid and mono topshot (provided you dont care about comps). ------------- Rehab |
Espresso wrote:Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 7:58pm
Whats not to like? ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 8:08pm
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And I think the key question or answer is if you don't care about comps you could use much smaller reels. And that is from someone who fishes comps and uses larger reels. As someone who fishes comps and has limited experience on braid with Marlin (as in no experience catching one on braid - but some knowledge of difficulties of braid to leader connections) I would recommend mono on 50w penn, tiagra or similar to get started. Is in my opinion straight forward. Advice I gave earlier is based on being spooled by large blue on a TLD 50 and also landing a 229 kg blue on a tyrnos 50 so know both sides equation. Once broke off a huge yellowfin on 24 kg. Do what you want. Comps by the way are great way to learn and associate with guys who have been fishing that way all their lives. Most if not all of these comps won't let you run braid, unpopular as that may be for many. But rules are there for a reason. And by an large most are happy to fish that way. |
Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2016 at 9:26pm
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As to rods... I like nz made rods and am currently running offshores and killwells but also like look of some of cd rods. Some are 15kg to 24 kg models but fish 24 kg fine... Whereas be more conservative with imported rods which if rated same might not fish 24 kg as effectively. That said have landed large Marlin including blues on Shimano backbone and tiagra tsu series rods no problem. So if in doubt spend more on larger more critical investment being good reels with bit more capacity i.e. 50 wides. |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2016 at 7:17am
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I use a short double on my braid then loop to loop on braid wind-on leader, then loop the spring clip - no difficulties with this connection, at all. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: drpc
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2016 at 6:20pm
50's are lighter if you are hanging on for any length of time, 24kg is a lot easier to get 10:1 than 37kg. 37kg is easier to see if the eyes are so good ------------- Please support Leagasea http://www.legasea.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 10:38pm
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15 is easier! ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |