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Protect the 3 Kings and the Swordfish

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Topic: Protect the 3 Kings and the Swordfish
Posted By: Chuggers
Subject: Protect the 3 Kings and the Swordfish
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2002 at 6:57pm

Hi All,

Spent 7 wonderful days on Primetime at the 3 Kings Islands, King bank and the Middlesex Bank at the end of June.  Fisihng was awesome and had just the best time.

We had 6 guys on board from all over the world and spent on average $10,000 each, we killed one swordfish of 198.4kg.  I equate that sword to being worth around $302/kg in income to New Zealand. 

Please tell me why Longline caught Swordfish from the same area are currently available in Auckland for a paltry $9/kg

I have contacted your local Prime Minister, Fisheries minister and opposition leader to please explain why New Zealand does not do more to protect the Swords, Mako and Kingys in this area.

You have te most wonderful country in the world and it needs protecting from commercial interests that will degrade the fishery to where ours and others have in the rest of the world.



PS Kerren, boards look great.  Have put them straight into the favourties, See you are a computer genius!!!  Bloody Springboks!!!






Posted By: Kerren
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2002 at 7:27am
G'day Chuggers

great to have you onboard fella...thanks for the feedback, but I must confess I am not the only one responsible for getting these pages up and running...Srba the web developer is the real magician!

It will be a sad state of affairs if our waters continue to be hammered mate....what have the replies from government been like?

Can you please post a photo of your $60,000 Broady ...great capture, couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke!

PS..Spanners was most upset he never made a bet with you over the outcome of the game......we will no doubt be having a few jars on Saturday night, so will give you a call!

I am Kermit, Leader of Muppets Nov 05

Posted By: Gordon G
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2002 at 9:08am

Firstly - well done!!  But more importantly I'd like to see Helen Clarkes face when referred to as a "local" prime minister (he he).  No offence to you Chuggers in fact you gave me a lovely smile over that one and who the opposition leader might be is anybodies guess......


Posted By: Chuggers
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2002 at 11:28am


"Local" meaning to the Greater New Zealand Area!!!



PS How is Spanners, do you know if he has recieved the videos I sent him as yet??



Posted By: Kerren
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2002 at 11:35am
Spanners is doin' real well buddy...we had a very relaxing weekend at the all good! he is finding plenty of things to keep him out of trouble while the boat is up on the hard!...although I bet Capt. John is champing at the bit!...I haven't spoken with him today, but will get an update re: vids for you!

I am Kermit, Leader of Muppets Nov 05

Posted By: JW
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2002 at 12:10pm

Chuggers sums it up quite nicely. Just need some forward thinking politicians to see where the real long term sustainable income will come from. If other stocks are anything to go by the fishery will be worth nothing in 5 years. Why can't Hodgson see this? Is he on the take?

Posted By: Joseph Lau
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2002 at 12:25pm

Just received this from Option4 this morning....

Ministry of Commercial Fisheries?

This Update # 19 covers the following points :-

�">Ministry delivers latest Fisheries Management Proposals IPP.
�">option4 makes Submission to these proposals.
�">State of play with the Rights debate - or lack thereof.
�">Comment on the election - Party Policies on record.

option4 believe the Ministry of Fisheries has effectively declared war on all recreational fishers with its latest Position Paper. The question must be posed - Is the Ministry of Fisheries part of an independent public service or simply an extension of the fishing industry lobby?

The Ministry of Fisheries presents an annual Initial Position Paper (IPP) on a variety of fisheries management issues to assist the Minister in making his annual decisions regarding the setting of the Total Allowable Commercial Catch. The Ministries 2002/3 paper contains the most biased advice in favour of the fishing industry that anyone in option4 has ever seen.

Fisheries Minister Pete Hodgson has stated that the greatest threat to the public's right to fish is the poorly defined nature of our rights versus the clearly defined and increasingly strong rights of other stakeholders.

Well Pete, the way option4 see it, the biggest threat is actually your Ministry of Fisheries, which seems hell bent on taking every recreational fish it possibly can, and unashamedly gifting it to the fishing industry.

For example, in the snapper fishery from East Cape to Wellington (SNA 2) the Ministry clearly intend to severely reduce future non-commercial catches, whilst giving the largely unconstrained commercial fishing interests a massive quota increase.

Future recreational bag limits will likely have to be slashed because the Ministry has given the Minister flawed recreational catch estimates, which potentially massively underestimate the public's harvest. The Ministry are seeking the publics' allocation to be based on, and reduced to, this underestimated level of recreational catch.

Unbelievably, the Ministry advice proposes to increase the fishing industry quota by a further 43% in this very same fishery!

It appears that this is becoming the Ministry's standard answer to the fishing industry continuing to blatantly over catch their quota in SNA2 - to simply give them that much quota, they can't possibly catch too much fish.

This is not new. In 1991 the quotas were being massively over caught prior to the last quota increase. This Ministry has conveniently forgotten the promises made by the fishing industry in 1991 to constrain themselves when their quota was increased from 157 tonnes to 252 tonnes - a 60% increase. If this current Ministry proposal to, yet again, increase the quota to address commercial over fishing is granted it will mean that the industry quota will have gone from 157 tonne to 360 tonne (an increase of 130%). Basically the proposal is to increase fishing industry quota while the public allocation will be slashed to around half of what they are currently catching.

Also, the Ministry fails to give due recognition to the wide range of public conservation efforts made over the same period of time. Voluntary efforts such as increased recreational size limits, reduced bag limits and recreational method constraints. Are the results of these public conservation efforts about to be gifted to the fishing industry?

After reading the latest Ministry advice papers, option4 believes that this Ministry should either come clean and change its name to the Ministry of Commercial Fisheries, and give up any pretence that suggests that there is any independence in its advice, or it should clear it's ranks of the offending individuals.

The culture of bias and favouritism towards the fishing industry by this Ministry of Fisheries has grown over the years to a point where it is now totally out of control. A pattern of behaviour completely unacceptable for supposedly independent civil servants appears to be entrenched in their ranks. option4 believes the Minister of Fisheries should act decisively with enough Ministry heads rolling to restore public confidence and ensure the independence of his Ministry advice.

In accordance with its watchdog role, option4 has responded with a Submission on all proposals in the Ministry Position Papers which affect the public's rights in inshore, shared fisheries. Please go here for the complete Submission">
The IPP has been broken down into the various fisheries with the Ministry Proposal, the Ministers Preliminary View and the option4 submission grouped together for each fishery. option4 has made submissions on paua, snapper, tarakihi and gurnard.

The effort option4 has put into these submissions on your behalf has been huge. Over 200 man-hours have been invested in our response to the Ministries IPP. As promised, we have engaged scientists, and lawyers may yet be required if our submission is ignored. If you want this essential lobby for the rights of the public to continue and you want a watchdog with BIG TEETH please read the attached coupon and send it in with your donation. Without proper resources we can only bark on your behalf and most of the people we are dealing with appear to be deaf!

We intend to publish the Ministries' Final Advice Paper (FAP), which is due out shortly along with the Ministers Decisions (due in September).

The Rights Debate
On an even more frightening note, this very same Ministry of Fisheries is now working behind closed doors on a revamped set of proposals on how recreational fisheries should be managed in future. If their biased attitude and blatant favouritism toward commercial fishers seen in the latest Ministry IPP is allowed to pervade the recreational rights debate, we will have one hell of a scrap on our hands.

This Ministry has a poor record so far in the rights debate. Besides putting inordinate amounts of spin on everything it says, it has also

  • Misreported the true outcome of the Soundings process.
  • Suggested option4's primary purpose is to oppose licensing.
  • During the MCG process, agreed to include "Moyle's Promise" as the basis for ongoing discussions then removed the Promise from the Cabinet paper - thus effectively removing the previous Labour governments "Promise" of priority from the rights debate process, going forward.
  • Ignored recreational feedback given during the Ministerial Advisory Group deliberations.
  • Failed to include recreational representatives in the ongoing rights definition process, as promised.

option4 will be following, and reporting on, all developments as they emerge from the dark corridors of the Ministry of Fisheries and become available for public scrutiny.

The Election.
It quickly became clear that fisheries issues were off limits for political debate. National delivered a very powerful and positive Recreational Fisheries policy three weeks before the election and then failed to make any reference to it during their campaign. Labour did NOT have a fisheries policy as such. Outdoor Recreation New Zealand campaigned to the best of their very limited resources. 23,500 people voted for them with some South Island electorates polling as high as 5%. Next time round, this party could well be a force to be reckoned with. The analysis of the political party policies is online and is worth reading at">

To those many hundreds of you who have made donations - Thank you. To those thinking the battles are over, think again. The science and legal resources required need to be of the highest calibre if we, the public, are to hold our own. These people are willing to work with us at very favourable rates but it still costs money. Without these resources on hand our position becomes tenuous.

Please send your cheques to:-
option4 Fighting Fund
PO Box 37951

Posted By: JW
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2002 at 4:09pm

Scary stuff!! Looks like recreational interests will be sold down the river. Not only that the science behind the decision making is sketchy to say the least. Seems more like his department had in mind it's own agenda from the start with a view to getting everything to 'fit' around their plans. It's no wonder you can't get a constructive reply from Hodgson. . Perhaps letters addressed to him should start "how much?". Maybe we should have a whip round and send him on a few nice lunches or perhaps send him on holiday. We could send the tw*t to the moon. One way.

Posted By: Chuggers
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2002 at 3:13pm


Australia has the same problems, over here the pro fishing lobby uses the same tactics of scientific findings to get the results they want the govenrment to see/hear.

It is heart breaking to here of increases to longline quotas for tuna fishing when already the yellowfin are a rare capture for rec anglers!!  I have given up on our pollies and unfortunatley your don't sound much better!

Every night I kiss my little man goodnite and tell him to dream of marlin and swordfish, I am concerned now that this is all he will have left.



Posted By: odin
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2002 at 11:46pm

Hi Chuggers,

Word has it that you are operating out of Port Stephens.If so I would like to talk to you about things that we both hold dear. Is it Ok to contact you and if so what is the best method.



Posted By: Chuggers
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2002 at 2:48pm


We don't operate commercially with our boat. 

Certainly we take the boat up there every summer for a couple of weeks.  I know (hope) Kerren and Spanners are coming over this year for a Dark and Stormy or ten at the Sea Breeze. 

No Worries with the contact PM or E-mail, it is all good.






Posted By: Kerren
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2002 at 3:59pm


Will put our A into G and book our tickets asap!...Going up to Spanners place this weekend, so will hatch a plan!...Do you still want us over there for the Interclub?...which weekend would be better?...first or last?...might be a stretch to do both, but anything is possible my friend!..

Hows the fishing going anyway mate?...any more time on the water?


PS...have you seen the above post about the Seminar we are running?...In the final stages of organisation now...will be sweet!...Shimano are backing us %100 of the are some other big players!!......ya reckon the guys that attend are in for a treat or what?..

I am Kermit, Leader of Muppets Nov 05

Posted By: Chuggers
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2002 at 3:28pm


Seminar looks bloody great, Nathan and I have been in consoltation about coming over and acting as hecklers, we have this great big Silver cup thingy and we wanted to wave around the back of the crowd while Spanners was on stage!!!

Seriously though, I have plenty of frequent flyers so am thinking about coming for the weekend, Nathan is unsure so if I can get him to commit and staff can be organised I am there!!!







Posted By: Jack Sprat
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2002 at 5:57pm
Yeah righto Chuggers, bring the silverwear, both bits!... and the NRL mug as well. This is where it all belongs y'know....You do know that don't ya?

Posted By: Chuggers
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2002 at 6:07pm

G'Day Jacko,

We also have this gold cup over here as well, I think you guys were keen for this one, but it only comes around every four years.  As far as I'm concerned you guys can have 'em, the cost of having a couple of Kiwis polish and dust them each day is huge, but I will say this for them they are committed to keeping them clean, they keep washing them in their own bitter tears!!!!

The NRL cup, you guys can have, The bulldogs thought the payments were in  Kiwi Dollars!!!  Just another misunderstanding, like that underarm bowl thingy!




Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2002 at 7:20pm
yea...come on Chuggers
we will make you more than welcome...I will show a place to store your hooks LOL
In all would be great to meet you. I read your postings with great interest

Posted By: Kerren
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2002 at 7:52pm

G'day Chuggers...

Sounds like an awesome idea buddy...let me know if there is ANYTHING I can help with at all?...accomodation/transport etc will be looked after!..

Womens Rugby World Cup?..Tri-Nations?..America's Cup?..Large Swordies?...XOS Kingies?...Big Reds?..WR Stripies?...I think I like it here...

will email you on the morrow!

I am Kermit, Leader of Muppets Nov 05

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