Soft Plastics
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Category: Saltwater Fishing
Forum Name: Soft Bait Fishing
Forum Description: Anything to do with this latest and greatest way of catching our favourite species
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Printed Date: 04 Nov 2026 at 5:30am
Topic: Soft Plastics
Posted By: Uncle
Subject: Soft Plastics
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2005 at 10:44pm
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A mate of mine was at Motiti Is on Thursday & decided to chuck a soft plastic in the water. The berley trail was only about 3 mins old & his first cast was about 50mtrs behind the boat. Obviously the berley had no influence. Well, the upshot was a good pannie on the first cast! He was using lightweight trout spinning gear with 14lb braid so the fight was quite prolonged. He thought it was bluddy good fun so continued with the plastics. His mate was using a standard strayline outfit & was soon 8 fish in arrears! The turning point was as darkness fell, then the whole squid outfit started to perform. This little episode made me stop & think---plastics-yeah--I want to try them! C2C mag ran a story in issue 25. I've now read it 3 times! I'm keen to know if anyone has tried the new "GULP" models that were mentioned in the mag story & if they are available in local stores.
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Posted By: gac
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2005 at 11:48pm
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I love using the plastics for bass fishing here in Japan, also in the sea for bream, seabass, flathead, and various rockfish. There's a huge variety of plastics available here, and many ways of rigging them up. Check out this site http://bassresource.com/cgi-bin/bass_fish/YaBB.pl for some info about rigs etc. Yes I do have a couple of bags of the "GULP" worms, they look a lot like the worms we can buy live for bait here, they stink and they work great. I use them on a 'gang' rig, that is , I tie the first hook to the shank and a second just behind it, rig up the worm and put a small split shot above it. I've had most success with a 'lift and fall' approach, The split shot should be small so it looks good on the fall, as often as not that's when it gets bit, same as other plastics. If you need more weight to get to the bottom I'd use a 'carolina-rig' with 30-60 cm of line between the worm and a bullet sinker or ball sinker stopped by a swivel. Can anyone share their experiences of fishing with plastics in nz. Of course you can use them to catch kahawai, kingis, trevalley etc but how about gurnard, blue cod and other such species? I'd be happy to post a pic of the plastics I use, and hooks rigs etc if anyone's interested. I dont claim to be an expert or anything but I've been enjoying this type of fishing recently and happy to share what I've learned. |
Posted By: Coast to Coast
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 12:07am
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Hello Uncle Stranger, I currently have some of the Gulp crabs out being tested. I hope they will crack the flounder problem. They look like the real thing. Smell like sh.t though... Much more to follow on the subject. Pure Fishing have some experts over from Aussie next month and they will be talking at the OBC in Auckland I believe. I will be fishing with them to learn more and will report back what we find. Gac, gurnard are a sucker for them. One of my writers absolutely swears by it. I've seen his results... |
Posted By: Manaia
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 8:26am
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Hey guys just interested, do these so called plastics breakdown! would be keeen to give them a try espicially for the flounders! ------------- [IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/Matariki/21.gif"> |
Posted By: Edick
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 9:06am
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Haven't tried them on flounder but they work on snapper, kawhai. They don't break down but fish do bite them in half. Still cheaper than frozen bate.
Beat lures in my view and I am now happy to go fishing with only plastics.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 9:13am
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The GULP soft baits are indeed very effective, not just as whole soft baits, but even as cut baits! Chop them up into smaller pieces like you would with a big pilchard and they work just as well I have found. The guys at Purefishing let me use some up in the tropics, I had them when we were fishing for "Mu" or sweetlip, in the lagoon at aitutaki, and the GULP baits worked just as well as the real thing. In fact, I was catching more than everyone else, but whether that was due to baits or luck, who can say, but all the time while Billy Ho was filming, I was pulling in one fish after the next on my fake baits, it was cool. And yes, GULP is biodegradable. I have always been a little concerned about this with soft plastics, wondering if it was gonna poison fish or whatever, but apparently GULP is made outa some thing like tofu or somethnig (I dunno, something wierd like that anyhow) I haven't had a chance to use the stuff here in NZ yet, but hopefully in the middle of the month I'll be at the ranfurly, and I'll give it a go there too. But anyhow, GULP does work! And as a cut bait no less. I was impressed. cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: cod
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 12:05pm
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get the dvd from pure fishing on soft bait fishing its very well done.$20 retail. ------------- cod |
Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 7:26pm
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I can't recall where I've read about it but it also pays to store your GULP plastics away from your other plastic lures as they will cause the latter to degrade as well. I have caught a gurnard from shore using a red twin tail soft plastic with a white 7.5gm jig head. I wasn't sure if it was a fluke but it was caught on a slow lift and drop retrieve. I have also used soft plastics in kahawai workups too. One would have thought the kahawai would nail them on whatever retrieve rate you do but I found that a slow to medium retrieve worked best in that situation. My theory is that with a quicker retrieve, the fish would be hitting the tail of the lure and not have a chance to get a hook up. I also found that when using a spinning reel, I would get seriously twisted line. I now connect a small swivel from mainline to lure. I think this may degrade the bite rate somewhat so am looking for a baitcast reel for this style of fishing to reduce the line twist and therefore avoid using swivels. Gac, do you use a baitcast reel with soft plastics?
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 8:07pm
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I answered this this morning but it seems to have dissapared I bought a couple of pkts of them back from ossie with me along with hooks Chris... do Gammie make the hooks for rubbers and have you got them here? |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 10:50pm
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Mmm, interesting ideas there. Wonder how the GULP stuff would go as cut baits on Tarakihi rigs. Any thoughts c2c, Capt.As? Get back to me on that one |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 11:07pm
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Barrie, yes Gammie do make hooks for plastics - in fact TOO MANY styles! I have just one type on order and will be watching how the plastic bait market develops. They also have lead headed models too and I reckon that the sharp Gammies will be the difference when it comes to this finesse style of fishing. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Coast to Coast
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 11:12pm
| Uncle, I watched the Gulp product, cut in half and used on a J hook, catch the biggest snapper when I did the first story. I think it has huge potential. Tarakihi will be an ideal target. These crabs really look the goods though. I think they are very exciting... |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2005 at 11:29pm
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Any idea when the GULP models will be available to us mere mortals? I'm dead keen to try them out.
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Posted By: Coast to Coast
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2005 at 12:18am
| Available now I think. I haven't even got any of my own I can send you. I'll be back there this week. I'll find out. |
Posted By: gac
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2005 at 1:41am
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"Gac, do you use a baitcast reel with soft plastics?" Yes, I use both, baitcast rig for the heavy stuff and light spinning setup for the light stuff like no-sinker, downshot rig etc. Using plastics shouldn't really cause line twist more than other types of lure fishing if you've got it rigged up well. I like my baitcast reel but I wouldn't really recommend getting a baitcasting setup just to fix your line-twist problems. using baitcasting gear has kind of a learning curve involved. try casting anything lightish into a headwind and you can find yourself in backlash hell. The main benefit of baitcasting is when you do a lot of fishing in tight spots as you can thumb the reel on the cast to get better control. To prevent line twist here's my thoughts; 1 - check that your rig isn't spinning by swimming it around at your feet before you cast it out there. 2 - use reasonable quality line, that cheap hard nylon may be ok for bait fishing but it doesn't cut the mustard for casting and retrieving lures all day. 3 - always maintain tension when winding, if necessary run it through your fingers above the reel until the slack is gone. 4 - get a decent reel, some reels are poorly designed and simply cause line twist (as far as I can tell). Also, is the roller roling? If not it doesn't help. 5 - if you have line twist you can fix it by trolling your line behind your boat with nothing attached. If you don't have a boat you can let your line out in a river or strong current (of course watch out for people, boats etc). Someone asked if plastics decompose. Yes they do , and I've been assured on another forum http://bassresource.com/cgi-bin/bass_fish/YaBB.pl?board=gen_bass;action=display;num=1125298204 that they don't harm fish if swallowed. GULP baits are very different from other types of plastics and I wouldn't put them together. Most plastics you can fix rips with a lighter but when I tried that trick on a GULP worm I just got a sticky smelly melted pile of nastiness  |
Posted By: gac
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2005 at 2:08am
Just been checking out the gulp baits at the berkley site http://www.berkley-fishing.com/products/Category.cfm?PassCategoryStructureId=1476&PassLevel=2&PassPrevious=Products">here I don't see the worms that I have, or the crabs that Coast to Coast talked about but how about them chicken livers . What would you use for flounder fishing? Sorry, just worked it out. Thats the freshwater options, saltwater ones are http://www.berkley-fishing.com/products/Category.cfm?PassCategoryStructureId=1509&PassLevel=2&PassPrevious=Products">here |
Posted By: Manaia
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2005 at 8:27am
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Still not cheap though eh, i mean id rather do a rock pool mission and grab 6 crabs than pay $6.50. Bloody impressive little beggers though ------------- [IMG]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b206/Matariki/21.gif"> |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2005 at 4:56pm
| Ive gone for the Powerbait |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 11:35am
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Following on from the discussion on this topic, I decided to have a tutu to see if I could make something that would look more like whitebait & be tougher than the commercial ones available. These are my first attempts. The photo is a bit misleading as the tails are much whiter than shown. The two tails at the top have a thin nylon "strengthener" built in. I think it wouldn't be too difficult to incorporate eyes & holographic paper,but that will have to wait for another day
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Posted By: Kerren
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 11:41am
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class act as is par for your course Uncle!!.... ------------- I am Kermit, Leader of Muppets Nov 05 |
Posted By: Bushpig
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 11:42am
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I have used a piece of white string successfully to catch Kahawai when they are feeding on whitebait no where near as classy as those things Uncle ------------- I would rather laugh with the Sinners, than cry with the Saints |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 11:56am
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Ok Bushie, thanks. I'll see if I can make one that looks like a bit of string ( kind words FL-ta) |
Posted By: gac
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 1:22pm
| They look good, did you melt some other plastic lures into a mould to make those? |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 3:06pm
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That top one looks sexy, uncle! cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 3:07pm
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No gac, I started from scratch. More than that I can't tell, sorry |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 5:25pm
| whats the length of them Uncle??and Dia... thinking of what sort of hooks (you know the brand but what size) |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 5:27pm
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Whatever turns you on Capt.A. The Mk11 models are curing in the cylinder cupboard & it's hard to leave them the prescribed time. 36 hrs is a long time to wait to see if I stuffed up! |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 9:08pm
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I'll take 10,000 pcs next week please. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2005 at 9:49pm
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I'm a bit dissapointed Chris, another 0 would make it worthwhile Barrie, the ones shown are approx 100mm. They're a bit thinner than the real McKoy but that could be fixed. It wouldn't be too difficult to make 150mm models. 75mm would be easier still.
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2005 at 6:16am
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The ones Im going to try out are 75mm. will phone you today... have an idea for you |
Posted By: jerm
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 1:09pm
| Was out with an 'expert' from Oz midweek. He'd never fished saltwater in NZ before so took him to a favourite shallow water spot at Motohuie. He fished plastic and I fished bait. For 4 hours the action was frantic with plenty of fish released. We kept 9 snapper over 35cm - 4 on plastic 5 on bait. The reason we got so few, was Kahawhai. Approx 40 caught - 30 on plastic 10 on bait. Colour didn't seem an issue as they were taking everything from dayglow green to black - I used 2.5 kilos of bait and he destroyed 3 shads meaning it could be seen as a more cost effective way to fish. He was however fishing with an outfit that retailed at about $1200 and was fishing braid. If your looking to keep active whilst fishin this could be for you - its nothing new of course as they've been around for years - check out the local old timers on the Houhora wharf cleanin out the Johnnie population every morning when theyre running (most of the year round!). Wayne normally drifts but we were anchored as we were burleying. He could chuck a 1/4 oz weighted plastic about 70mtrs with a flick of his wrist and retrieved spasmodically with a certain 'feel' that can only be learnt from doin it regularly. It was pleasing to see so many Kahawhai although after about 20 the novelty was wearing a little thin as we'd been targeting them only last weekend under balloons which was a laugh. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 1:29pm
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That winds me up even more jerm I have another batch cureing at the mo., it's bluddy hard to leave them the required time! Any clues as to how to target JD's on them? |
Posted By: Stormbringer
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 4:18pm
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I purchased some 3 1/2 ", 4 1/2" & 1 big 9" Storm Shads, awsome looking peices cant wait to try them out :) |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 5:18pm
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used soft baits up in raro , they were the ****... caught every thing on them trevs , gts, needle fish, flounder, mullet, took a bit of playing but managed to get them refined . the results were good solid bites, need to play around with rigging and actions on them.
strawberry ------------- "The sharks are circling" |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 6:14pm
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Yeah, I got a flounder on a soft plastic up in Aitutaki too.... pretty cool really. Mind you, it helped to be able to watch it swim over and eat it :-) I am looking forward to playing with some more new plastics next summer, should be fun Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: cod
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 6:46pm
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enjoy using the berkley range of softbaits.like the 4inch lumo powerbait. ------------- cod |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 8:59pm
| I must get a few to add to the tackle box they sound like alot of fun esp on light tackle. |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2005 at 9:34pm
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I tried one hook with 4 Gulp crabs during my trip to the Mokau Trench. I hoped I'd be able to add another victory to the soft baits but, well, I suppose it was sucessful, every drop I caught grand daddy hapuka and nothing tried to eat them. Can't add significant deep-water species to the tally. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 10:20am
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These are the current models--2nd attempt. I've used a 5" jerk shad as a guide to size (top of pic) Still a long way to go
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Posted By: Stormbringer
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 10:45am
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what are you using for the the boddies ? is it just silicon out of a tube ? i.e sellys all clear sealer ?
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 10:55am
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Just plain 'ol silicon. I'm looking to make something tougher than what's available. These ones seem to fit the bill but they loose a bit of movement. Much work to be done |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 11:04am
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they look good uncle, are the lumo o just plain silcone at this stage..
strawberry ------------- "The sharks are circling" |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 11:11am
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Uncle old son there is no such thing as plain old silicone as firstly there is a difference between asid cure ie smells like vinegar when curing and nuetral cure which has no smell also different brands will "harden to differing ammounts and show vastly different wobble ability. A quick walk through a good ITM store will reveal a choise of twenty of the better brands. but I am aware of about 100 different options. Let me think about what you are trying to do and talk to a few suppliers for their reccomendations to get the toughness combined with the "wobble" you are looking for. Mostly the difference in brand is about the stuff they add to give their builders snot a unique slice of the market this includes stiffeners and colour additives. Also for toughness and price some of the cheaper Gap filler exterior options will set firmer without the adhesive qualities that the more expensive types demonstrate. Cunning plan you old dodger but you have set my feeble mind to work!!! ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 11:19am
Quote: Originally posted by Uncle on 17 September 2005 up at houhora, the locals often just hang them over the side and forget about them, the currents pretty fast so the shads tails seem to just wag away. otherwise slowly lift the rod up and down. We have caught them by spotting them in the shalows, flicking in a shad and slowly retrieving it past their nose. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2005 at 11:33am
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Strawberry, at this stage, not lumo. I have some real good lumo powder that will be used later but I don't want to waste it on these "prototypes". Boulder, thanks for that. Will be interesting to see what you come up with. The stuff I'm using is the acid type--sure smells like vinegar, strong vinegar! I've played around with stuff for years so know a bit about what works & what dosen't Thanks Josh, I'll try your suggestions down at the wharf--that's if I can find a space among all the new imigrants |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2005 at 3:11pm
Just had broadband installed so testing with the same photo for time comparison.
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2005 at 3:12pm
Yahoooo, yipeeeee! took about 5 seconds!
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2005 at 10:17pm
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Thanks Josh, I'll try your suggestions down at the wharf--that's if I can find a space among all the new imigrants Just elbow the overstayers into the water, show em whos the bad dog around Tga. Have ya made my 10,000 pcs yet, got til tomorrow to deliver.
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2005 at 10:31pm
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I'm going/coming as fast as I can Chris What time tomorrow is the deadline Should I use Sloways Couriers |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2005 at 10:37pm
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I hear Winnie is coming down here real soon. I'm sure he won't mind carrying them down for you but don't let him know ya didn't vote for him! oh...sorry deadline past, just got a call from a factory in China! ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2005 at 10:43pm
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Yep Chris, Wellington's a great place for him--I'm sure you'll make him welcome. He enjoys fishing for Cook Straight sailfish--perhaps you could entertain him Ah, breach of contract--gotcha. It's not tomorrow yet |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2005 at 8:29pm
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For anyone interested in the subject SOFT PLASTICS, there is a book review in this months NZFN of Steve Starlings new book "On soft plastics & how to use them". I had a look around the local shops for a copy but no joy so just finished ordering on line. One day when I grow old & get a bit more sense, maybe I'll get over these all consumming obsessions |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 6:43am
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Thanks Uncle I want to learn a bit more on these Could you let me know if you think its worthwhile please |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 6:11pm
| Does anyone fish Big Hammers or Fish Traps? |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 6:57pm
| have you got a link please? |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 7:39pm
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Paul, those jigs are not available here. Be sure to bring some over, I'm sure you won't have any problem leaving them behind. There are so many soft plastic jigs in the US, its hard to know what makes a good brand. Perhaps you can enlighten us down under. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 8:04pm
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Barrie, this link has some interesting stuff. I think fish traps figure in there somewhere. http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csc6c.htm">http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csc6c.htm Keep at him Chris, the more info the better |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 8:22pm
Right thats it, I will get a few for the tackle box on payday as well as a few other shiny TAS thingys 
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 8:29pm
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Here's another link with some good looking gear. http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=36805&hvarDept=151&hvarevent=&hvarClassCode=4&hvarSubCode=5&hvarTarget=browse">http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=36805&hvarDept=151&hvarevent=&hvarClassCode=4&hvarSubCode=5&hvarTarget=browse |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2005 at 8:44pm
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Thanks Uncle I will have a good look at the weekend |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2005 at 1:00pm
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Barrie, I'll be bringing some down for you...I'm sure there are a ton of different things that we fish up here that you guys don't fish down there. I've caught some tuna on them. Whams(another plastic) are another thing that will get bit. Prime example I use a 5ft leader of Flourocarbon on all my outfits and the rest of the reel is backed with braid. We don't even think about using TLD25's in the states. A trinidad 20/torium 20 are used for 50lb test. We're getting closer and closer to my trip...Looking forward it Barrie. I'll be bringing you an assortment of goodies. I may even have a reel I might bring with some Jerry Brown Spectra(THE BEST) that you can keep. Chris, Do you guys chuck Tady 45's and Jr's?? I wish I could bring my new composite Ulua down there to fish. 9ft 3" 40lb jigstick. If you want me to bring something down there for you please email me before and I can just ship it for you when I get there. Do you guys use Jerry Brown Spectra at all or spectra period? If so I'll contact my JB source and bring some down to you and Barrie. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2005 at 4:30pm
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Turning very red in the face. Im just happy to take you out for a day mate... Honestly not after anything, just hope the weather plays ball and we can catch some for you. |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2005 at 4:49pm
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Barrie, I know you aren't after anything but that is the least I can do for you. ChrisW has told em the kind of person you are, very much like a guy in the states that everyone goes to for reel repair. If I could get a rod down there(limit on baggage through my study abroad) I'd have one wrapped up and bring it down there as a gift. I'm going to have some goodies for you and at least some reels to try out. I have a rough idea of the the fishing you guys do now, so I'm ready. Have some rods, but I'm bringing a reel bag down. Honestly email me before if you want me to bring you ANYTHING. Remember reels are much cheaper in the states especially if you have a fishing business like myself. Same goes for you Chris, but hopefully you will make Fred Hall this year? I'll be working in a few booths. I'm hoping the fishing is red hot since it's been a terrible year this year. My ticket price is always free on boats and I have gone only once this year. that is how bad its been. Nothing worse than real rough seas and lack of fish. When the fishing turned on I've been busy with work, school, or my business. I'll start posting pics of tackle soon and how we do connections for spectra and all that good stuff If you guys have a Shimano Torium or Shimano Trinidad and want to make it into a beast and fish real heavy line on them look at this: http://www.senortuna.com/main/showthread.php?t=10987">http://www.senortuna.com/main/showthread.php?t=10987 I did this pictorial and the guts are basically the same for both reels. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2005 at 9:54pm
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Nice site Paul, a lot of regular Allcoasters too and it make me feel quite at home. Also terrific, definitive article of yours on drag upgrades, will have to try it soon. I already have the carbontex washers and Cals top plate for my 40N. So for all you DIY reel mechanics wanting a great pictorial article on drag servicing, check this out! ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2005 at 10:22pm
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Good site alright. Some good tips too ty Hara San, like cleaning the spindle so carefully. bit of a waste on me though because I cant cast for $%!#. Very good advice on greasing all the screws, I always do that, can save wrecking your reel. Ummmm what is white gas? ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2005 at 10:22pm
| Wholley ...............man that looks complicated I would have about 26 different bits left over...I'll have to leave it to the pros I think at the moment. Great article though. |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2005 at 10:32pm
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WM I have never had a Torium or Trinidad apart, because I have never owned one. Most reels arent too bad, but unless you have mechanical aptitude is best to leave it for someone else, if you dont have a 'feel' for tightening screws etc you can give yourself tons of grief. You need a nice tidy area to do a reel overhaul and an orderly manner about you. The best place to do your reel maintenance is on the kitchen table when your wife is out, that way you get a lot of satisfaction knowing you got away with it. Unless she comes home early. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2005 at 10:41pm
| Yup the old Rimu table might be just the place Smudge.. I can put em back together well so far its only been an assortment of Penn Seaboys and jigmasters and the like but tates a bit of though and not something to be attempted after a couple of beers (never again) around the BBQ I am still not sure to this day how the brother in-law and father inlaw manage to do that to those reels .. break em I mean not fix em lol |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2005 at 4:20am
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White gas is coleman camping fuel.. It comes in a big rectangle jug with a handle on top. It is red and silver labeling. It is the best stuff for the job. Toriums and Trinidads are about as easy as they come. I would say they are a lot easier to deal with than Senators and the basic Penns. The Daiwa Saltist is VERY similar to a Torium, so if you can open on of those then you can open your Saltist. I have several of both. Low maintainence, cheap, and excellent reels. Chris, Senor Tuna is a lot of the ACer's who got tired of the big boss over there. I work for the owner of the site(not for the site but for the company he works for). Where is the tackle board around here or do we have no tackle ho's? |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 12:24am
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Thanks Hara San. This is pretty much it for tackle. Us kiwis dont really mess with stuff like that and if we do its only to fix it. I dont know of many that modify reels and make their own rods and stuff. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 2:27pm
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Man Smudge...Half the fun of fishing is buying and getting your stuff ready for trips. My reels even the new ones get treated before I take them fishing. The clumps of grease in the reels that come new really hinder your freespool and casting performance. I dont know if you guys fish live bait, so it may not matter as much for you guys |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 4:42pm
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Hey HAra_San, those Big hammers you mentioned, have they been around for a while now? I ask, becasue a mate of mine who move here from the Sttaes a decade or so ago brought me over a heap, they wee an awesome soft plastic, a brilliant swimming action on them, better than anything else I have come across yet, but after Jon stopped heading back to the States, my supply dried up. They were all (at least the ones I got) i think 4 inch lures (maybe 5"?) flat along the top, and a good wide square tail, yes? If you bring some, Barrie will be beside himself when he sees their action in the water. Cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 9:19pm
MMM Hara_san thats a good thought the annual nzfishing.net "Tackle Hoe Pin/award" ....
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 9:31pm
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Thanks for rescuing the thread from those highjackers Capt A. What do you think of this one? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/pod/horizontal-pod.jsp?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/pod-link.jsp_A&_DAV=Featured&rid=&indexId=cat600387&navAction=pop&navCount=1&parentType=&parentId=&id=0030762">YUM� Houdini, Samurai and G-Shad |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 04 Oct 2005 at 11:06pm
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Geeez, I gotta use me spell check when posting... for petes sake, that post of mine is barely legible. It SHOULD read like this..... Hey Hara_San, those Big hammers you mentioned, have they been around for a while now? I ask, because a mate of mine who moved here from the States a decade or so ago brought me over a heap, they were an awesome soft plastic, a brilliant swimming action on them, better than anything else I have come across yet, but after Jon stopped heading back to the States, my supply dried up. Crikey, I need to control them typos a little better methinks! Uncle, I am hoping that some flash soft plastics may be heading over my way soon from Japan. I will know more if/when they turn up, but they are large, up to 7 inch I think, articulated softplastics, of course now I cannot find the brochure, dammit, so I don't know the website! sheeshhh,.. a bad night! Well, must dash,, Cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 6:41am
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I cant wait to get out and try them. The worm beds are fishing well by the sound of it and that must surely be the exact place for them. With a bit of luck, Sunday will be the day I can get out for a short fish. I will take bait... just in case... but the plan is to use only rubbers |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 1:49pm
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Capt, You got it right. The big hammer is a harder plastic and the fish trap is a softer plastic. Both have great actions and I do know Barrie will love these things. Do you guys fish braid in the kelps or just regular mono? What color plastics do you guys use? The basic greens,browns, reds, and blues? Do you guys toss a lot of rubber down there? I had a meeting with my professor for study abroad last night, Barrie and I'm all cleared to go the night before for fishing the next day. I will find out my exact schedule as we approach, but I do know I'm staying at the Sky Tower in Auckland. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 5:14pm
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no problems mate Easy to find, its the tallest building in the southern hemisphere. Im totally new to softplastic/rubbers so cant help at all but my intentions are to use braid over sand and probably braid with a 2 meter mono trace over kelps The colour I bought in Australia was pearl/olive and pink lemonade I thought the pink woud stand out well and the olive would look more like fish. I have never seen anyone useing rubbers in fishing and thats one of the reasons I wanted to try them. I plan on doing more with jigs as well so that as time goes by, Bait will be used only every now and then. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 5:49pm
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I have had good sucess with pumpkin and pepper soft plastics here... kalins are superb for these. I don't know too much about the old soft plastics usage over here, I do not think they are that widely used really. It is too bad, because they have been very effective for me in the past, especially on kahawai, but then, on kahawai, what ISN'T effective??? :-) Small (3") shads on the end of a bucktail are very good for jigging for snapper though, I have got a fair number of snapper and other fish on them over the years, and I know JDs like the Hammertails. The rocks/kelp we have here is very different from that of SoCal I think mate, certainly not the towering kelp forests you have over there! A lot more biting fish (as in, nipping with their teeth) than gulping fish over here too, so expect the soft plastics to lose tails fairly regularly, at least, the ones I use always seem to be de-tailed with monotonous regularity. As for braid or not? Dunno. I use braid for jigging in anything over 30m anyhow, just to get max bite sensitivity. Oh, if fishing over the worm beds, hmmmm... perhaps some carolina rigged worms/ paddle-tailed worms would be the go? Dunno, never fished there. Cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 6:15pm
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These are a selection of SP's that a mate in the US sent over for me to try. He was adamant that the small grubs would catch our snapper--we'll see! I'm aware that the third one down is rigged the wrong way, that's been fixed.
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Posted By: jerm
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 7:38pm
| Another trick worth trying that has worked for me is to put your Gulps or whatever brand you buy on a BM Snapper Snatcher and then spray with the new "Stimulate" product. Most effective Motohuie Channel rig or deep drifting rig. |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 7:39pm
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Those look like Fish Traps right there or AA's This looks like it is going to be great...So many baits that havent been used yet. My luggage might overflow with stuff. |
Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 7:44pm
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Hi Hara_san, I have caught many kahawai (and a bird) on soft plastic minnows. But like what Capt. A said, what isn't effective on them? But I've never caught them on a fast straight retrieve, only on slow to medium or quick erratic. I've only used flouro pink and transparent (with red sparkles) minnows so far and the transparent sparkly ones seems to work better. I have also caught one solitary Gurnard off the rocks with a red twin tail attached to a white jig head. Hey Uncle, You should tell your USA mate that we can also get nails and rubber bands here Cheers. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2005 at 8:13pm
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Haha sooshee, those rubber bands are kinda special. They're for me to test & when I do, I'll report back on here. Let's just say, it's a rather ingenious system that has me intrigued.
Here's a link for big hammers. I can't remember if I posted this before http://www.swimbait.com/kits.htm">http://www.swimbait.com/kits.htm |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2005 at 12:47am
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Those grubs in the top right corner look good Uncle, what brand are they? They look a lot like the Kalins I used to have. good at sea, but DYNAMITE on trout! When you look at soft plastic in the water, the way they are so life-like, they really must be effective. I do not know why they are not more widely used here. Cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2005 at 8:59am
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Stu, there are Kalin grubs in the mix, also Bass Pro. They all seem to be scented so would guess that using them for trout would be illegal in most places.
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Posted By: Martini Max
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2005 at 9:04am
| I've still got 3 or 4 packets of those around somewhere Stu. |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2005 at 10:49am
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Yehaaaaa!!!! My new book "On soft plastics & how to use them" by Steve Starling arrived this morning. I couldn't find a copy here so did the internet thing & purchased direct from the publisher mailto:[email protected]">[email protected] . Delivery took 7 days & the total cost was NZ$40.90. After a quick look, I'm convinced this is the instruction manual all SF uses should own. Barrie, you asked me to let you know what I thought of it. The simple answer is BUY A COPY----you won't be dissapointed. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2005 at 7:35am
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uncle Have you got a webb site for them ?? |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2005 at 8:13am
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Sorry Barrie, should have thought of that http://www.afn.com.au">www.afn.com.au |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2005 at 9:35am
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Hey martini, you still have some Kalins? Pumpkin seed and pepper?? can I have some? Best trout soft plastics I have come across. Uncle, I think the Kalins just have salt in them, maybe by now some fish scent, but that is OK in the waikato, where you can use baits for trout anyway. Hmmm... might get me a copy of that book too.... cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2005 at 9:47am
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http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csc6c.htm">http://www.charkbait.com/cs/csc6c.htm
Go here and look at the blams. Is this something you guys would use? I planned on bringing 300-400 of them down there. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2005 at 6:24pm
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thanks Uncle Should have looked closer at the email addy shouldnt I 
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2005 at 6:26pm
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Blams?? Dont see any there ?? |
Posted By: Hara_san
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2005 at 4:23pm
| Scroll down its the second item on the page. Quit looking at the girl and then you might see the bait :) |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2005 at 5:28pm
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You're dead right Hara_san, they're just where you said You have to make a few allowances for blind Barrie--he forgot his spec's again |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2005 at 6:07pm
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One of the most popular pics I have on my packhouse wall this year is this one....
...pointing it out ot the unobservant few who do not notice this, I tell them it is one of those optical illusion pics, and that if you stare at it really hard for 5 minutes, two crays magically appear! Nah, true! They do, try it. I like the look of those hammertail type lures, and the larger ones would be interesting to play with on kingies and hapuku out wide. cheers, Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2005 at 7:16pm
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opps I didnt scrol down, I was looking at the ledgend at the to with all the names in it Sorry |
Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2005 at 10:37pm
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Wow, 7 pages already....great topic Uncle Bill Check this out guys:
These are Imakatsu Javallons which I think retails for about NZD25 for a pack of 4 but if you take a look at the video, they are very very life like. http://www.imakatsu.co.jp/movie/javallon0506-2.wmv">http://www.imakatsu.co.jp/movie/javallon0506-2.wmv .....and they catch fish too: http://www.imakatsu.co.jp/movie/asahikawa0508.wmv">http://www.imakatsu.co.jp/movie/asahikawa0508.wmv
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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2005 at 10:49pm
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Great stuff sooshee. Those Imakatsu's are incredible. OK, who's gonna import them. I'll have a couple of packs but only if they carry a lifetime warranty |