snapper grading
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Printed Date: 26 Jan 2026 at 6:20am
Topic: snapper grading
Posted By: pjc
Subject: snapper grading
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 5:10pm
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Before the last cut to recreational bag numbers it was on the MPI web site that,if of legal size and not likely to survive we had to keep,Just been on MPI site again and that clause has disappeared and we can now discard snapper even if legal size and not going to survive.Basicly high grading. Have I missed read the rules? ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 5:19pm
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it was not enforceable, yes stupid but then how can you make someone keep a 30cm fish then find its undersized at the ramp? even a 31cm may be undersized if not looked after properly, on top of that you have these people letting fish go on TV for sport that have no idea if the fish will live or not.. so were do you draw the line???? ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 5:24pm
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My view is take for first 7 legal size,catching undersize move on,We have started this practice now,drift see what's there undersize move on. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: NumnuT_AUS
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 5:46pm
now we have gone the full circle..
for the last few years everytime you see a pic with a heap of dead legal size snapper, lots of people would moan about not letting some go..
now when some TV fishos let some go they cop a hammering also..
tough crowd!!
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Lethal wrote:Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 6:08pm
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^^^ It sure is cobber! Surely it's just a matter of a little common sense ? In a recent thread we had a good discussion on the survival rates of snapper in relation to the depth they were taken from, and the paper that I'd referred to and posted also looked at the effect of the type of hook and where the fish was hooked. The main factors that effect survival rates are those two things, plus obviously how the fish is handled before being released. So, in a worst case scenario.... a snapper is dragged up from 60m, gut-hooked a with small baited hook and gets a couple of fingers shoved in it's gills while the hook and trace is ripped out. Prognosis: It's gunna die. Same fish is lip hooked on a softbait in 15m of water and released carefully at the side of the boat without being handled. Research would suggest it's going to live. As far as whether a fish is released or kept, as long as it's legal size, and within the legal quantity limit it's up the the angler imo - nothing to do with anyone else at all. The only proviso on that is, if it's obviously going to die as in the worst case scenario then it's no different to commercial dumping albeit on a very small scale. ------------- Online... |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 7:28pm
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only in the last 10/15 years has it become socially unacceptable to take your limit, and now its unacceptable to take large fish, whats next? we have laws yet TV shows say these are not how it is done by releasing fish of all different sizes to make themselves look good on TV, all i am saying is people are now forcing those showmen types antics as if it was Law, onto others so it will help to sustain our fishery... "their words not mine" the Law has no provisions for releasing fish unless undersized, so to try forcing people to release fish which in their eyes are our best breeders "their words not mine", plus how many legal fish died after release is really a none event, who cares anyway, only those that let them go because they feel its the right thing to do, only because TVshows say so.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 8:08pm
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"quote Grunta"As far as whether a fish is released or kept, as long as it's legal size, and within the legal quantity limit it's up the the angler imo - nothing to do with anyone else at all. The only proviso on that is, if it's obviously going to die as in the worst case scenario then it's no different to commercial dumping albeit on a very small scale. Thats the angle i was aiming at Grant,high grading makes us no better than comms on a smaller scale. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 8:41pm
That same overwhelming majority would also be of the view that any fish taken deserve complete respect as food and not wasted. End of. ------------- Online... |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 9:55pm
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the majority of people refuse to tell anyone anymore because of the the unacceptable few who have been blinded by TV shows that its what should be done... and those that do post ive noticed make an excuse of some sort on how they tried to release to please those that would moan... so get my point about how its changed???? who really cares what they do on TV its only to feel good nothing else as they have dont show the true real results anyway of whether it lives or dies, mainly because they cant follow it for the next couple of days to see what truly happened to it... so why not stop preaching to others when they haven't the prof it is still living and breading as they would have you believe... the other part is its not illegal to take such fish, even though they TV Shows would try and make you feel its unacceptable and socially incorrect to do so... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2014 at 10:06pm
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the other day on FaceBook one of Damos punters took a Photo of the total catch from Charter Connection and posted on F/B, he was unidated by post which were very angry about the amount of fish caught even not knowing how many anglers where involved, this is the sort of thing i am on about plus any large snapper of which there are heaps at the moment attracting similar results... so my stance really is who cares what the TV shows do with their fish as long as they dont think it should be the norm when they go fishing nearly every day or once a week and others go once a month to catch a feed... long as its within the rules they should stop this sort of bulls wool which is forcing others to abide by their rules when there are already rules to follow... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |