Sealords not looking good either,
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Topic: Sealords not looking good either,
Posted By: Lethal
Subject: Sealords not looking good either,
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 12:28am
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http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/255505/axe-hangs-over-jobs-at-nelsons-sealord-plant" rel="nofollow - http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/255505/axe-hangs-over-jobs-at-nelson%27s-sealord-plant might have to lay off staff....  ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
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Posted By: marlinmarty
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 6:43am
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Export jobs more likely ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Southern_Jez
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 6:54am
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Thats pretty much the same as what the Aluminium Smelter just went through ... the prolonged high NZ dollar is putting a lot of exporters under the pump as the reserves to ride it out have run dry, no one really believed our dollar could sit at this level for this long. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 7:06am
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the government struck a deal with the smelter,what deal will they strike with fisheries? ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:27am
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Probably not much as there is way more investment in Tiwai Point than in Sealords. The smelter takes huge amounts of electricity, is in an area with not much in the employment options department etc etc, whereas Sealords? Not so much. I am wondering though if this may be some posturing by Sealords and the corporate fishing folks to try to get the govt to cut them some slack in the fcv reflagging laws about to come into effect. That wouldn't surprise me too much. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:28am
| ^^ what CA said, it will be some dirty underhanded tactic |
Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 8:48am
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Aren't they looking at freezing some of the deep sea catch whole and selling to China? That means less staff and no processing onshore. ------------- And the trouble is, if you don't risk anything, you risk even more...Erica Jong |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:14am
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funny when it comes to exports in nz,my father had a small company and employed 12 staff,had a product he could and did export,but never got a break from government like the big players did. there are a lot of small companies around who employ overall more staff than the big corporates but are overlooked. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:24am
hit the nail on the head there new zealand was built by small business of all types, and has only started going backwards as they have become big business |
pjc wrote:Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:33am
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don't Sanford own them now ? If that's the case its called amalgamation ..At the cost of jobs. Streamlining it back into profitability and running it like the parent co ? With takeovers that's always the case Fishing giants may join forces BILL MOORE Last updated 12:58 13/08/2014 Share 2 Ads by Google Conference Venue Taupowww.tongarirolodge.co.nz/ Unique Conference & Incentive Venue 1-120 delegates at Tongariro Lodge Two of New Zealand's biggest seafood companies are in talks about consolidating their fishing efforts, a senior manager revealed at a Nelson conference. Sealord confirmed this morning that talks with Sanford were advanced. Sanford inshore fisheries manager Shane Walsh yesterday told delegates to the New Zealand Marine Sciences Society's annual conference that he had been in a meeting at Sealord earlier in the day. ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 9:45am
| When you export the bulk of your catch to be processed offshore you just don't need so many local staff. I haven't noticed that the amount of fish being harvested is reducing, so I assume this is about reducing their processing costs to improve or protect profits. That is what businesses must always do, but when you have been given for free a national resource to harvest for your benefit I would argue that this creates different moral obligations around local jobs when compared to a typical manufacturer or processor. Especially when you are always using the jobs created as the ongoing justification for the continued destruction of our national fisheries. I am sure however that the fishing companies would like to argue that they have no legal obligation to do anything that doesn't improve their bottom line. |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2014 at 10:24am
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Very well expressed That is what businesses must always do, (a legal requirement) but when you have been given for free a national resource to harvest for your benefit I would argue that this creates different moral obligations around local jobs when compared to a typical manufacturer or processor.( Morality at the expense of shareholder returns is illegal and directors cab be suits successfully) Especially when you are always using the jobs created as the ongoing justification for the continued destruction of our national fisheries . I am sure however that the fishing companies would like to argue that they have no legal obligation to do anything that doesn't improve their bottom line. They do not have to.. it is a legal requirement, which is why we have governments to make rules for this sort of stuff... too the great horror of the extreme right wing.. and they do not very often point this out... because to do so will immediately create a call from citizens for the Government to make companies to pull their ... or force good practice and morality onto them And this is the way it is world wide ever since the very 1st company formation in Holland... The East India Company. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 1:48am
shame the clowns that gave it to them in the first place didn't have the brains to add that sort of clause into the agreement... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 1:07pm
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Big growth in export of headed ,gutted fish to China for processed added value, re exported to markets in u.s ,japan , E.U. Export in this commodity is rapidly climbing,while frozen fillets are declining. N.Z jobs continue to go to processing plants in China. This recent election am sure i heard ,continued N.Z job growth. Really.! Of course no one will say this is the problem. They will say the real solution is for more cost effective slave labour and continued FCV rust buckets that are cheep and have finished their working life elsewhere or been displaced by collapsing fisheries elsewhere. Maybe why there is some reluctance to invest in New N.Z vessels and training of N.Z crews. They can see the writing on the wall in that our fisheries will go they same way--down hill like most others. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 5:48pm
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you want our/my fish.well sure but we process it and you pay the going price,whats that you don't want it now. just like exporting timber,we should be milling it not sending whole logs and buying it back. Did the government or previous governments say we need to be doing added value? ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 10:27pm
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Mayor blames dollar for Sealord cuts Workers at Sealord's factory in Nelson said they were blind-sided by news their jobs could be axed as part of a restructure of its wetfish factory. Nelson mayor Rachel Reese said the current economic situation was causing real problems throughout the country. She said all industries need to be mindful of the high exchange rate as it is really starting to cause issues for the primary production industry. "I think the exchange rate is having quite and impact and we've got to be mindful of that over the next 12 months. "All industries need to be looking at change, looking at the pressures on them." The Service and Food Workers Union said Government inaction on manufacturing is largely to blame and it is part of a disturbing trend in food processing. pretty sad when you read this update... http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/255569/sealord-workers-stunned-at-cuts" rel="nofollow - http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/255569/sealord-workers-stunned-at-cuts ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2014 at 10:43pm
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What a tired cliche the mayor uses. "High dollar" The high dollar also allows the company to import in $u.s their working gear at favorable rates. If the truth be known the real issue is export of processing jobs to China. No skin off the companies nose. Its primarily the N.Z tax payer that picks up the tab for unemployment payments,not the company. That our high dollar has fallen from around $ U.S 86c to the present $ U.S 78.68 further weakens that argument. If it falls further the whole industry will have something very real to complain about--rising fuel costs. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 5:23pm
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just an update on what is happening, http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/10579904/Prospects-good-for-axed-staff" rel="nofollow - http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/10579904/Prospects-good-for-axed-staff Prospects good for axed staff
He said there was no sense in blaming Sealord or any other manufacturer for "adjusting their manufacturing to suit market conditions". Fish, logs and other unprocessed commodities were sent to China and other relatively unregulated labour markets and brought back processed or semi-processed. "This is clearly a failure of long-term economic policy and there is no excuse for it. Yes, the products are cheaper for consumers short-term, but the buying power erodes over time because of trade imbalances, resulting in rising unemployment and debt." New Zealand had no business competing with the northern hemisphere in raw and semi-finished commodities, Ulsaker said. "New Zealand needs to be niche-oriented. That way, employment stays high and manufacturing independence is achieved." Last week Sealord fishing general manager Doug Paulin said the group sent 10 per cent of its hoki to China for processing, a figure that had steadily declined and would continue to fall, with 15 per cent processed in Nelson and the remainder at sea. Sealord has begun consulting with its staff and union officials on the proposal, with no time-frame for a decision given. ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Tagit
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2014 at 7:00pm
| So already only 15% of the Hoki processed onshore in NZ, and how much of the rest is processed by 'slave labour' FCV's rather than kiwi boats? As a country we really are messing up using this ever more valuable resource big time. |