TPPA
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Topic: TPPA
Posted By: onthedrop
Subject: TPPA
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2014 at 9:37pm
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Posted By: onthedrop
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2014 at 9:40pm
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These corporations have too much influence ------------- FEED THE WHANAU |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2014 at 10:50am
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Here's yet another group with concerns about the TPPA http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11350823 |
Posted By: Tone E
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2015 at 8:18am
| We will lose our ability to be masters of our own country. This is the beginning of a one world government and everything will change for the worse for us, and for the better for the huge multi-national corporations. A small example...plain packaging for tobacco and those scary adverts will be illegal. Cheap generic medicines will be banned so medicine will cost lots more, and it will be illegal for us to keep GMO food out of NZ |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2015 at 8:55am
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re labbeled communisum ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2015 at 10:09am
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we need a government that is willing to stand up for the people that voted them in not someone making deals behind closed doors that in the long run will screw us for eternity.. it is so hard to believe they cant lay this on the table and ask us if we agree before they signing anything so disastrous and binding which will tie us into such a money making system that will benefit only the USA... or is this all about keeping China at bay???? before they become the dominate superpower??? ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2015 at 10:46am
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State control of economics = communisn regardless of how it is dressed or packaged. Big corporates are very close to the state. They are almost one and the same under the guise of free enterprise. Dictatorial Auckland city is a good example,and reflects whats going on at the top. Big changes ahead for N.Z. We are so heavily in debt we have no choice but to go along with the man from Brussels in the Grey suit . Our 4 biggest export earners. Dairy,meat, wood and oil. (this according to info & stats on the net) Dairy and oil have taken huge hits. Meanwhile our dollar is falling,bank deposits have no guarantee ,and inflation in the Auckland & Ch Ch housing markets is soaring. Not a good look for our economy. Imagine the pressure this will put on our resources including fish stocks.They will have to sell everything and anything. Interest rates could fall again. as money printing continues. The E.U has announced a 1.1 trillion Euro print to keep things rolling. Our banks borrow this at very cheep rates and put alot into housing loans.More people will be taking out even bigger debt to get into a house,trying to compete with cashed up chinese buyers. Our Govt is either powerless or chooses to do nothing to rein in the out of control banks. Bail in policy has already been implemented ,and agreed between govt and banks. Which means if a bank goes broke in a crash it is your deposits that will bail them out. Depositors will take the haircut. Thus banks here can be as reckless as they like with no accountability. So who really is running the show. Not the govt.? And then when interest rates rise or house prices crash another whole section of our middle class will lose their homes and money. Is this co-incidence or what , or part of a plan,but world wide the middle class is disappearing . Once the very wealthy was 1%. Now it is 0.1 %. The main chinese credit rating agency have said they expect a crash far greater than 2008 within the next few years. (source zero hedge) Just last week our reserve bank said a crash in our overvalued housing market could bring bring financial instability. So what are they saying. Are they trying to scare off developers and buyers ,or are they trying to talk down the dollar.? Meanwhile Greece has been given 10 days to apply for a bailout or exit the Euro. We certainly dont live in normal economic times. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2015 at 10:29pm
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------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2015 at 8:48am
Would love to you explain this
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pjc wrote:Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2015 at 9:05am
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The way they are portraying the tppa.goverments will dictate who you can purchase products from.what you can send in forms of emails etc.big brother will be watching ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2015 at 9:10am
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Might even come down to what variety of tomato seeds you plant. And who to purchase from.no carrying over seeds from your existing stock.there is endless possibilities where the tppa could go. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2015 at 9:58am
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When first mentioned I thought it was about sharing security issues with our trading partners but there has been speculation on what has already been mentioned.we will not know till it's signed off and released then too late. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 2:02pm
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Judging by the comments to this article people are finally waking up to what TPPA actually is http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11402940 |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 3:10pm
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Totally agree Kevin. And when you look at the author of that piece in the Herald you can understand how biased the writer is. Not a thing about pitfalls and how the man in the street is likely to be affected. Poor journalism indeed. ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 4:18pm
| Not journalism at all Grant, just a one sided rant. They should have been charged advertising space for that so called article. |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2015 at 4:23pm
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Yeah, bad choice of word there I agree. Substituting with "form" makes better sense.
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Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 3:32pm
It is also written into the agreement that no information about what is included is allowed to be released until five years after it is signed. Anyone who thinks this is solely a free trade agreement is delusional.  ------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2015 at 9:30pm
If that is the case then its a first sign of Govt going bad |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 2:01am
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isnt it funny we are now virtually run by the USA these days, just watched a program on TV SKY about how Hitler coming to power, would you believe it was due to the USA? USA went into rescission because of some very bad chooses in there Governing 1929, this reflected on the rest of the world just like the bloody last couple all USA, but due to Germany being so into borrowing from USA they where even harder hit hence the people went into revolt, this allowed Hitler into power and start the second world war, after knocking over most of Europe he took on Britain in earnest which failed, when Britain ask USA to help they refused to send men only supplies at a hefty charge, for nearly 4 years the bloody Yanks stood back and screw Britain till the Japs who USA stopped all supplies getting though to Japan attacked Pearl Harbour, i am not anti America but some stuff that is coming to light these days makes USA nothing more than the biggest rip off the world is ever likely to see, in fact they are responsible for just about every war that has happened in someway or other. here we are a tiny little country that has supported the USA in every bloody War they virtually have started yet we still have huge tariffs on our products entering their country and none except on there Cigarettes, due to them killing our population. now they have some opposition like China they are running scarred which in turn they are trying to tie everyone up so China cant get a foot in the door before they go ahead and start another War with China. the Yanks are the biggest threat to world peace than any other country, they push people into corners until they have no other option but fight.. ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2015 at 7:06am
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Saddam Hussein got into power due to usa saying he is the man.look at how that turned out.bush family doing business deals with bin laden family.that worked too.perhaps usa should just concentrate on their problems and the rest of us can quietly go about our business. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2015 at 10:55am
| http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11423728" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11423728 The news about TPPA just keeps getting worse. |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2015 at 9:48am
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this will have serious adverse effects on all of us .. it has to be stopped ------------- The People Protest Actions Speak Louder Than Words |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2015 at 12:38pm
Nope. J key and his trusty side kick Grosser say it will be all good. No wuckin forries. Just like Rogernomics. It will be good for the whole country and we will all be wealthier and happier for it. They should know and would never lie or deliberately misrepresent a situation. Would they?
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Posted By: FizFisho
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2015 at 7:58am
how do you go about stopping such things? i personally dont know enough about its detail, but if everyone i hear is saying its bad, i tend to sway that way. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 28 May 2015 at 11:07pm
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Very interesting current interview with wiki leaks Julian Assange currently on web site zerohedge. Some interesting insight on what is the biggest trade deal ever. But who knows what the content is as no one is allowed to know. But would appear its not about free trade but corporate control of govts and also internet among other things. Interesting that N.Z is still going on about changing the Flag at about the time of Tppa,despite about 85% of people not interested. Why is govt persistent about this. |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 29 May 2015 at 1:34pm
Subterfuge, distraction, misdirection. You are correct. The TPPA is not a trade agreement. It is a corporate take over. That is why there is so little in the way of chapters on actual trade and many many chapters on corporate rights. Bare in mind that one of the conditions on signing this agreement is that none of the contents become public until five years after the signing. Why? You are also correct that the big boys are trying to manipulate and control the internet. At least the visible one. The "black" net could be a tougher problem. ------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2015 at 4:30pm
| http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11459985" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11459985 |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2015 at 8:44am
| http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11463317" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11463317 Why is there never any good news about the TPPA |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 3:21pm
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Tppa is here. MFAT ---ministry of foreign affairs and trade say tppa effectivly prevents any future ban on foreign buying of property here. Labour worried -Joyce defiant . I would have preferred to keep our sovereignty. Fly the Flag at half mast. New flag should be white. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 3:49pm
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Ya reckon? Seems to be pretty good all in all, at least to me. Perhaps I am not sufficiently paranoid. I mean, we didnt get everything, like the dairy thing could have been better, but hell, it is 20% better than what was before tpp instead of 50% better if we'd got the dairy side deal we wanted. It is still a win. I suspect the world will not end, and that nz will not be labelled "Property of the USA" on any maps just yet....after all, if 11 other countries all signd up, they surely ALL cannot be dupes to the capitalist swine in the west surely? Maybe.....just maybe.... the anti tpp groups over-cooked things just a leeeeetle? After all, the main leader of the opposition to TPPA seemed to be Chicken Little, wasn't it? ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Glaucus
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 3:57pm
Will be interesting to see if the government will continue pursuing the "Smokefree by 2025" campaign that's been in place sometime.
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Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 4:23pm
One of the news reports said that there was an exemption on the tobacco industry being able to stop things like that, and the plain packaging. But the honest truth is that no one has any idea what this thing actually says, and we are unlikely to know the truth about what it contains for years.
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 4:56pm
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WE already do know that no restrictions on foreign property buying here. Say farewell silver fern farms. Say farewell to countless dairy farms as Kiwi owners hit a debt wall. If i was in the U.S ,china ,Japan i would be out here buying all i can. Auckland will snapped up. No more taxes on foreign buyers. They could sue govt for loss of profit. Forget about young kiwis buying a house in Auckland,or Tauranga. They will take their skills overseas to Australia.Their gain our loss. WE all know how the U.S feels about GMO. That may very come here with Tppa. If that happens then kiss good bye to any point of sales difference N.Z products have had. It will be gone forever. Meanwhile the man has sat and sat ,and taught us all about pony tails ,cuddly Pandas and crappy new flags. None of that is in anyway relevant to the real world. |
Posted By: Southern_Jez
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 5:38pm
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To be fair Cirrus ... there arent any effective controls on foreign buyers anyway. We protest the Crafar farm sale to foreigners ... yet a week later we welcome a foreign white guy to buy up all he wants (James Cameron). When Shania Twain purchased a massive block of land in Central Otago there wasnt a peep about foreign ownership. Is it foreign ownership we have a problem with, or is it Chinese ownership? The TPPA agreement goes both ways, if they can suit the NZ govt for loss of profits, our companies can do the same to their govt. Due to population disparities, we have a much larger profit to lose in their markets, therefore a lot more to gain via a lawsuit. All this disregards the fact that China is not even a part of the TPPA and receives no new benefits because of it as we already have a separate agreement with China ... http://beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/TPP-Q&A-Oct-2015.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/TPP-Q&A-Oct-2015.pdf ... but hey thats all just govt spin right ...
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 6:24pm
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Agree SJ. Was thinking more of all the talk, especially from labour ,as next election nears,of restricting foreign buyers & immigration. This probably has caused some to hold back,especially those wanting to do new builds not knowing if the buyers would be there a year or two down the track. This new ruling will give them renewed confidence to invest. But time will tell. And with Dairy tariffs still in place why was this ever signed. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2015 at 11:26pm
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Because dairy is still a little better off, and beef, mutton, wine, horticulture etc etc are all way better off. it is essential that NZ be on the inside of these trade blocs, rather than johnny precious sitting outside then whining about how all the other signatory countries seem to have freer access to the markets we need to thrive, or even to survive. Will our laws in place to monitor foreign ownership be changed? No. We retain the same laws we have at the moment, but true, it restricts new laws apparently being imposed to prevent other signatory member residents investing in this country. But they still need to pass the same conditions to meet the foreign ownership requirements that they do at the moment. But yes, it does obviously mean that we are all doomed. In a couple of years when it actually comes into effect that is.... after the other countries all get it cleared thru their own governments. Because this thing is not a personal attack on NZs freedom, it affects all these countries the same. One of the biggest hurdles to it going thru at all will be getting it passed by the US..., they are none too likely to be very impressed with a lot of these trade terms either. No country has got everything it wants either, but that is what happens in negotiations. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 8:34am
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Watching Aussie news and they positive no whining over here.no whinging over foreign ownership in fact real estate companies have signs saying welcome ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:43am
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The problem here is that the only press coverage had here in NZ has, until this deal has been done and the provisions have been announced, been disseminated by the radically opposed to international trade deals, political opposition parties looking to score points against the party in power, and the alarmists on the left and often the extreme right, the xenophobes and jingoistic mostly. Once people get over themselves and actually think about it, why would ANY government sign a treaty so unrelievedly bad for their nation that it would preclude them from ever getting back into power again? The media have drummed up the anti side of things enormously, as any "The End Is Nigh" story sells newspapers, and opposition parties climb on the band wagon to score politicall cheap shots, knowing that they will either never be in a position to have to face the reality of the situation(such as the greens and NZ first), or can always climb off their high horses when they do get into power (eg Labour) when they have to actually make the country work. Imagine if this to thing turned out to be a boon for NZ exporters, manufacturers etc, but in five year say the greens and labour and winston get into power and decide to repudiate the deal. Businesses get shut out of markets or become marginally viable as the tariffs go back on to our products. Job losses, businesses close, no job growth, interest rates soar..., but hey, that'll all be good eh...... I am very anti Helen Clarke, can't stand the woman, but she was totally correct when she said the other day that as a small trading nation, we HAVE to be in these trade blocs, or we lose big time. At least, that is how I see it. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:43am
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PJC Are you implying that New zealanders who are opposed to selling their country to foreign interests are whining. ? I would have thought they have concern for their children and grandchildren ,their future in this land. Australia has been exempt the provision of uncontrolled land sales. We have not. Already our Govt has said that uncontrolled immigration has been used to keep wages down here. N.Z the low wage economy . Just wait until the aspirations of the new immigrants begin to unravel. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:55am
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PJC may not be, but I am, kinda. I think they are hypocrites. If they had a pope rtf or business t sell, and an off shore buyer would pay, say, 3mill for it, and the best a local buyer would pay is 2.5mill, then I bet you anything you like they will change their tune. If as an aucklander, if you look to sell your house, will you be willing to drop 100k in a refusal to sell to an Asian....sorry, a foreign migrant, mustn't single out any ethnicities here eh. If you say yes you will, then ..... lets just say...."Tui". ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:55am
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PJC may not be, but I am, kinda. I think they are hypocrites. If they had a property or business to sell, and an off shore buyer would pay, say, 3mill for it, and the best a local buyer would pay is 2.5mill, then I bet you anything you like they will change their tune. If as an aucklander, should you look to sell your house, will you be willing to drop 100k in a refusal to sell to an Asian....sorry, a foreign migrant, mustn't single out any ethnicities here eh, just to stand film in your anti-foreign buyers stance. If you say yes you will, then ..... lets just say...."Tui". At that point I bet the hair splitting will begin to justify selling at the top price....they are migrating here, nice young couple, not some overseas investment company, or oh, it is a family run overseas investment company but they want to send their kids here, or, or...or......dammit just gimme the money, but no one else! ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:56am
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Cirrius.its the lucky country alright.they have a moan and just get on with it.unlike us kiwis keep in flogging a dead horse keep moaning how uts everyone's else's fault.been here 2 ir 3 other times and the Aussies just get on with it.perhaps us kiwis need to do the same.just make the best if what we gave.having said that no notciable anti social behavior graffiti etc or wearing bandanas,been up to our depot over here and totally different work ethics do the job or there's that gate ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 10:01am
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Just had about ttpa on news regarding meat.worth a extra 2billion so farmers will be happy here.aussie.just been to coles brought a shoulder.leg of lamb $15,
1.8kg ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 10:07am
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Every time I see cheap price meat or produce anywhere, I think "there's some farmer who just got screwed" I mean, I still buy it, but with just a twinge of conscience. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: onthedrop
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 11:21am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw7P0RGZQxQ&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw7P0RGZQxQ&feature=player_embedded This is a goody Corporate control....the ends is nigh but really though take ten minutes to watch it.
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 11:35am
You are right .It is the lucky country. They even smile over there. Quite remarkable really. But remember their wages are much higher than here,so their leg of lamb is really cheaper than here. But we must stop moaning. Quite correct. Just need to bury our heads a little deeper in the sand and keep very still. Woopie. Just learned. No more tariffs on fish or seafood product exports. Let the plunder increase ,industry boom dollars come rolling in. Let us all be happy and look forward to the Day after tomorrow. And no more whinging about our snapper. Why hadnt i seen it before. Life is so easy without whinging. Who needs it. And time had shown --While recreational talk snapper walk. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 11:50am
Very astute opinion. Pilger is sharp. His book --hidden agendas is a good read. Tppa is not about people or democracy or governments, or trade. It is about barriers against emerging economies such as Brazil ,China etc.It is about the unbridled control of the true world powers-the giant corporates. You and i or Democracy dosent come into it. |
Posted By: onthedrop
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 12:42pm
If you cant spare ten minutes spare two  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_Sbbeqfdw&feature=player_embedded" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_Sbbeqfdw&feature=player_embedded ------------- FEED THE WHANAU |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 4:45pm
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edited, to remove any hint of unintended personal rancour. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 6:37pm
| We'll see when your solo bubble pops. Corporations now have the right to sue governments and rewrite laws if anything affects their profits. This includes making it illegal to grow your own food, collect your own rain water or produce your own power, even medicate yourself. You may think that is way out, but this is already the case in the United State of consumer numbness; these are already illegal acts in some states. Corporate profit crazed madness. But's all Ok if you don't see any harm for yourself in your self induced bubble. Statutes of Liberty? We are |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 7:23pm
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NZ was exporting and manufacturing back in the 80s.one parent working .why?because the dollar was lower .45c American from memory and we survived just nicely.the world wanted our products due to exchange rates.the higher the dollar went less we exported why? Why buy from the bottom of the world when you can get value from tour neighboring country.particularlyin YE countries
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:38pm
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. When one sees a train rumbling down the track ,headlights glaring ,horn wailing then personally i like to see it coming and step clear and hope others do the same. When Tppa arrived evil entered the room by the back steps without creaking . And yes i tend to agree it is better to be inside a trade agreement than outside of it--maybe. But at what cost. When we have a situation where corporate companies can sue governments,then one must ask who then rules. And at that point the ideal of democratic sovereign governments ceases to exist,other than in name only. Yes there may be a few advantages we are sold. But disadvantages are far greater. We now have a continuing of the situation where foreign buyers can buy our country.Already happening ,but will increase. Under Tppa they will achieve what they failed to achieve by war. Instead they will own this nation by economic means. Perhaps we should all Spare a thought for the young people of N.Z. Especially the young couple with two or three children, at the lower end of the pay scale, havent had a wage increase in years,scrimp and save for that deposit for their own home. Then they find their deposit has devalued by the worlds fastest rising house prices ,and are out bid by the man with the printed funny money from overseas. How do these people feel . They feel angry and disenfranchised in their own country. And so will many of our children,and grandchildren. Destined to become tenants in their own land . Is there no empathy. So why is our government prepared to turn land ownership to all and sundry who choose to buy. That is wrong . Should be only for citizens and holders of a N.Z pass port. But should this get past congress ,then so be it. Little we can do. Put it on the back burner and move on,but not forget what is happening. And the other warning bells are that Aunt Helen is in favour of it . Speaks volumes. The march to ward one world order continues. While Hilary Clinton is totally opposed---interesting. What more to say. Fishing time coming up. |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 10:22am
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Doesn't take much for Auckland council to get in on the act does it? What the hell has this got to do with Auckland council??? great use of our rates guys http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11525871
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Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2015 at 2:11pm
Aunty Helen is going to throw her hat into the ring for a higher over paid position in the bloated, non productive, ineffectual UN. Uncle John suggested that NZ would support her bid. Then they engaged in mutual back slapping and promised to support each other. ------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2015 at 8:13pm
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For those interested; http://https://secure.avaaz.org/en/tpp_2015_loc_nz/?bFkwrbb&v=66224" rel="nofollow - http://https://secure.avaaz.org/en/tpp_2015_loc_nz/?bFkwrbb&v=66224
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2015 at 1:32pm
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Jan Kelsey has taken Trade Minister Tim Groser to the high court for not releasing the TPPA under an Official Information Act, and has won. http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/front-page/cases/kelsey-v-the-minister-of-trade" rel="nofollow - http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/front-page/cases/kelsey-v-the-minister-of-trade We will wait to see if this is challenged by the government. Otherwise under High Court ruling the government must now release the TPPA. If you wish to see for your self now, a lot has already been released on WikiLeaks. Inform yourselves, don't let judgments be based on opinions and misinformation from government and media.
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 5:23pm
The full TPPA has been released on Wikileaks now. Steer away from throwing opinions around and inform yourself. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 6:03pm
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Yes have watched it,now go and look every person who appears and check out the backgrounds. If you saw a programme a week or 2 ago on oil in the middle east.how america/england placed bribes with the saudis to get the best deals , it started before ww1 and they did what ever they could to hold on to deals and drive germany/russia out,then saudi woke up.We are only getting x amount per barrel and you are selling it for x amount and profiteering,right this is the price hence 1970s oil crisis. Wikileaks/wikipedia are only opinions if usa wants to control the world and not invite china to the talks what does usa think is going to happen when china says we want our money back,china owns around 80%, what happens to those usa companies that are getting goods manufactured in china? another scare mongering tactic, i would be more concerned with the masanta trade deal. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 6:44pm
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Yip it's been going on for centuries. However with internet freedoms we can expose their corrupt controls. Wikileaks is not opinions
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 7:32pm
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complied by investigte journilist,only their opinions ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 7:45pm
| compiled? the video, hmm yeah. However if you read the text, you can decide for yourself based on the facts. And they're talking from them, the facts. It's exactly what it sets out to achieve |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 7:54pm
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The only time we will know exactly what is in the TTPA is when i it is printed on govt document and made public,we are all guessing at this stage. there has been a few reports out but no acurate confirmation. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 8:08pm
| ? O K ? It's all there. You can read it. |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2015 at 9:45pm
The problem with that is you will not get the honest truth. The good will be spun so fast you will get giddy reading it. The bad will be understated and hidden amongst complicated indecipherable legal jargon. Count on it. No one knows exactly what is in it yet. However that has not stopped all the right wing commentators and sycophants trotting out articles in support of this corporate take over agreement and the Government who put ink to it. I say corporate take over simply because if it was a genuine free trade agreement, there would be more than the five odd chapters on trade and less that the twenty odd chapters on corporate rights. Rights, not responsibilities.
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Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 10:05am
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here we go, I expect this is the first of many similar articles we'll see as the true cost of the TPPA gradually becomes clear http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11572838 |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 11:18am
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Copyright protection is being bumped from 50years to 70years. Big deal. Copyright holders get an extra 20yrs on their ideas/music etc. it is not increasing costs on anything, but is extending any potential costs on copyrighted material usage by another 20years. So what. And it is not evil overseas corporate bully boys and warlords getting to screw poor nzers, it also goes for kiwi copyright holders as well. Inventors get to have their work protected a bit longer, although I suspect anything over 50yrs old is gunna be so outdated it will be limited in value anyhow. I guess if you wanted to use Glen Miller tunes as backing for your vids, you may have to wait another decade or so. I think in all it is not a bad thing at all, if anything, a good thing, to increase copyright protections. I am surprised actually anyone would want to spin this as a bad thing really. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 1:10pm
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TPPA is not designed to benefit you because they really love you and want the best for you. Its about resources ,exploitation ,world bank,IMF and big capital. Its also about lower real wages ,foreign labour rates, and resulting inequality as part of achieving agenda. Of course the real reasons will be well hidden. The nice bits will be emphasied This all began with the Lange -Douglas Govt and has been continuing step by step ever since |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2016 at 1:48pm
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The alternative then being......? Planned economies do not work. Free trade does, and the freer it can be made, the better. I guess it depends on your view of the world,whether you think your government wants to increase the nations prosperity, or to suppress the population to increase their own personal power and or wealth. I tend to think the former of our government and most Westminster style democracies. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: catch1t
Date Posted: 17 Jan 2016 at 11:45am
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The problem with that is you will not get the honest truth. The good will be spun so fast you will get giddy reading it. The bad will be understated and hidden amongst complicated indecipherable legal jargon. Count on it. Man, I'd hate to live in such a paranoid space..
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Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 4:04pm
It is not being paranoid at all. It is the modus operandi of all political party's world wide. Even corporates are guilty of it in their marketing campaigns. Remember Gattung who was the head of Telecom? She said it was good business to mislead and confuse the customer/public. Made it easier to make money and keep customers. Her words. Not mine. However. I value your input. Take care and have a good day. Cheers. ------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2016 at 12:19pm
It has now been revealed JK and his Government have been using the Police to "door knock" people who oppose the TPPA. Which means the Police are letting themselves be used as a political tool. Dirty politics ring any bells? Sounds more like intimidation and harassment to me. Maybe I am just being "paranoid" again. Now, where are my meds.  ------------- Legasea Legend Member |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2016 at 2:43pm
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I think it would be remiss of the police NOT to approach known activists, just to ask what plans there were for protests. "Marching down queen street!" "Oh, how many people?" "Ten thousand!" "Shoot the ducks! Better close of the traffic at the end of the road then!"Sort of stuff. Or...even more deviously and evilly...."have you heard if anyone is planning violence?" "Well, yeah, there is a bunch of anarchists we are a bit worried about making all sorts of threats, you better watch them, we want a peaceful protest!" Yes, I can see the jackboots are marching! Or, they may just be quietly ASKING if there is any need for them to be worried. Now, if cops were raiding these houses at 2a.m., dragging people away to lock them up without charge, then yes, then that would be bad. But police asking politely of protest organisers just what they are hoping will happen? That is not Nazi police stare, that is just being sensible. It is no secret that the anti trade groups will be protesting, is it now? Saw someone was complaining at the PM having armed body guards at a public meeting, how evil it was that key should oppress protesters by having thugs on hand. How Lala-land is that. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2016 at 3:08pm
Have to disagree. The most successful protest marches are the unknown ones. They may urinate you off because you can not get to the marina quickly. However they raise awareness and most importantly of all, they get media coverage. That is why the protest Fishing.net members did was never covered. Simply because not many people cared enough to make a nuisance of themselves, so nobody in officialdom or the media gave them a second thought. Block the harbor bridge and bingo, attention and possibly results. On one point I agree. If it could be proved that violence against people or assets was planned, then yes, move in. They maybe be asking "nicely", however the obvious yet subtle threats/intimidation is there. "We are watching you". Bit like that plonker Nick Smith back handedly threatening the funding of DOC if they did not tow the line and tone down a report. Objective achieved. Lastly. If you door knocked me politely asking where, when and how many people I had organized I would not tell you. Or, I would lie and send you to another part of town. What is the point of giving the authorities time to mitigate your protests or block you from the object of your protest. Remember what they did to the peaceful and legal protestors during a visit by Chinese officials. Once again the police were used as a political tool. They were not "just" doing their jobs. Bear in mind also, these are protests, not organized official marches. Nah. Just call me paranoid. Been married a while so it is probably true.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2016 at 6:44pm
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I guess it comes down to each persons point of view reall, or world view perhaps.. All I can say is...., careful, the gcsb may be watching! Sssshhhhhhhhh! ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2016 at 1:05pm
Bomb, explosive, assassinate, blow up, hijack, behead, arson, AK47, sawn off shotgun, pipe bomb, parliament, John Key, deaths, mutilations, under size Snapper. Ha ha ha. There ya go. Now we are both on the list. Knock knock. ------------- Legasea Legend Member |