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Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

It's a hard job pleasing everyone and their opinions. Legasea is a fairly large platform now.

I'm happy that a group stands up for my rights as a reccy as I don't have the time or money to do it myself. No-one can argue that the commercial sector has abundance on their agenda (its a poor annual yield that way) and that fish levels, crayfish levels are still very, very low. I have know issues with any organisation representing recreational but its how that organisation conducts itself I have issue with. As I have siad I see Legasea as being no different to Greenpeace or Twig & Bird, they are nothing but anti-commercial and wont be happy until the inshore fishery is solely the domain of recreational. You dont see them psoting about enviromental implications, customary or recreational paoching, why becuase it distracts the public sentiment away from their attacks on the commercial sector. I also doubt whether any of these plonkers have even been on a commercial vessel to see for themselves just what happens on a everyday basis but lets quote facts and figures (some of which is old data) to justify their one eyed opinions. As PJC has said all sector use the same data yet they only want you to accept their interpretation of those facts and if you dont agree you get comments deleted or your banned from commenting. So I dont apologise for my distrust of this organisation especially those behind the scenes.

Sorry Tzer, while I understand your Karen I still feel they do a good job, and tell me who the hell else in NZ is going to do it? No I dont think their doing a good job and who else is there, well it appears Mainland Fish (I think thats right name based in Sth Is) whose approach is better from what I have read in other publications.

They are needed to keep the commercial sector relatively honest. Again whoses keeping recreational & customary honest, Legasea I doubt that very much.
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TZER well said but what about "Legasea Hawkes bay"   Mange to reach agreements  where commercial may or not work at certain timers of year and areas.

Commonsense prevails work together not US vs THEM approach. Something Legasea HQ cant/wont do. Have they ever sat at the same table to work out issues?

Why would commercial want to sit with HQ when its blame blame and more blame. We as reccs need to stand up and take responsibility too. " Of buts its my right" is it??

These HPA/SPa areas that may go through select committee and lock you and I out. Remember Legasea voted  in agreement for these areas..


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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

I like the but of deny science. Both legaseas and seafood NZ get the science from NIWA.but legaseas seems too have different interpretation of science.

what science do you refer to. more specific please.
John . If legasea is your savior. Why did you join Moggy/Bazza/mowerman/John hieth and my self to try to set up "Fish fight" because at the time Legasea was all talk(still is) not interested in any protest action being NON political?
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And the anti commercial lies continue.

https://legasea.co.nz/2024/11/26/black-friday-the-stinking-rot-of-the-qms/
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paul carnahan <[email protected]>

Sun, Dec 1, 5:59 AM (3 days ago)
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Good Morning Legasea.

Who wrote this beautiful bit of poetry that offers no solution or answers?

Has Scott Macindoe taken a back seat or pushed to one side? Of late no new hard hitting facts or campaigns just rehashed reworded non facts/lies

The article in the subject line refers to Rescue fish policy/petition. Another rehash. This first appeared back inMay 2020 and the call for signatures wanting 50k 4yrs on and still only 20k signed.

The way trawling is made out that they constantly tow over reef systems etc and we know thats not true. In fact tow over set corridors to minimize impact. Majority tow mid water.So no know bottom contact. Fewer than 6 vessels trawling the gulf.
I think its more sustainable fishing having 4/5 trawlers taking on average 10/120 snapper per tow. Compared to longlining which can and they do saturate a area where Mum and Dad fish. From now until end of January longling is concentrated north of Tiri Tiri Matangi to Kawau island back towards Orewa. They lay of 3000 hooks per vessel(Have seen up 4 vessels laying in the area)would do far more damage than any trawler with in the gulf as longlining targets the 27/29cm snapper for export. But of course you would already know those facts.

On the facebook front. Very quick to disengage/ban people but happy to let obvious commercial identities have there say. Yes some of us maybe negative but facts need to be substiated before posting. There have been several incidents of incorrect reports.

The big question for me is why can Legasea Hawkes Bay have such an arrangement with local commercial fishers as to when /where they will fish certain areas. Yet Legasea HQ seems hell bent on playing the blame game.Disengage your selves from working with commercials to achieve common goals.They Legasea is promoting themselves its as though Greenpeace/Forest and Bird/Legasea ae one.

Closing statement. There is a need for recreational Advocacy but needs to be balanced.

Paul 

Katie Goodwin <[email protected]>

3:48 PM (4 hours ago)
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Kia ora Paul,

 

Thanks for the email. You covered a variety of topics so I’ll try my best to address them all.

 

Firstly, the common theme we keep noticing with your correspondence is the ‘LegaSea is anti-commercial fishing’ rhetoric. Just to make it clear we are not against commercial fishing, we are against the Quota Management System that permits the ongoing depletion of our inshore fisheries. We would love to see a fishery where Kiwis can purchase locally and sustainably harvested kai moana – essentially Rescue Fish in a nut shell. And yes it may feel repetitive, but that’s because the QMS is still in play.

 

Here’s a few examples of how we are actively engaging with the commercial industry in productive ways to better manage our marine environment;

  1. Through The Kai Ika Project, we have partnered with Moana Fisheries to reduce wastage and distribute previously unwanted fish heads and frames to the South Auckland community.
  2. Nearly every week we are involved in science working groups or advisory groups discussing the future management of our fish stocks alongside the commercial industry.
  3. Behind the scenes, we are currently working on a coromandel scallop fishery plan, that would benefit commercial fishers, the public and the environment.

 

In regards to selective fishing, responsible long-lining is a great alternative to bottom trawling as it is selective and does not drag weighed nets across the seafloor. Look at Leigh/Lee Fish for example, showing that sustainable methods can be just as/more efficient than bottom trawling. Your concerns regarding this method seem more aligned to the current commercial catch limits rather than the actual method itself.

 

We have a strong team behind our social posts making sure that we share the best available information. So we would love to hear about the instances where the facts have been wrong so we can clear this up.

 

Trolling on social media isn’t the best way to engage with us. Paul, you are always welcome to contact us directly so we can engage in meaningful conversations over some great kai.

 

 

Cheers,

Katie

 

 

Ngā mihi,

 

Katie Goodwin


Failed to answer relative question so we will have another try.


Thank you for correspondence.

The QMS is not broken just needs a few tweeks.We have more snapper in Hauraki Gulf today thanks to Nathan Guy.
Fish is inexpensive in itself until processed same with any meat product how we can over come this I do not know. Yes Skippers can buy a licence to sell wet fish at the wharf but I would say the market would be uneconomical.

Yes the Kai Ika project reducing waste but it is hypercritical accepting frames etc from trawlers.
Legasea constantly blaming commercial in particular trawlers is not helping to work together in a shared fishery. I would guarantee Minister Shane Jones staff read what you post thinks bugger off.
Once again you mention Lee/Leigh fisheries but fail to acknowledge that they have several trawlers on contract supplying the domestic market.  You do realise .once aghasin there are only 5/6 trawlers working the Hauraki Gulf working mid water.No bottom contact.
One may seem to be trolling on Facebook when Legasea do not engage when one requires answers. Continuing bashing trawl methods is seen as anti commercial. You failed to answer my question as to why Legasea Hawkes Bay can build a relationship with commercial yet Auckland doesn't seem to want to engage.

I stopped supporting Legasea a long time ago as it didn’t take me long to realise that this organisation is no different to any other advocacy groups such as Greenpeace, Forest & Bird.  As with these groups who for example, campaign to make dairy farmers out to be villains, Legasea is doing much the same towards the commercial fishing sector. Posts on topics such land run off, climate factors or even the impact recreational play on our fisheries do not feature for discussion and of course the one thing no-one wants to talk about and that’s customary, somehow this is a taboo topic, preferring to focus on the commercial sector.                        While I agree that an organisation like Legasea is warranted on behalf of the recreational community the stance Legasea has taken towards the commercial sector is not helpful in order to have frank and open dialogue, what is it they are afraid of in blocking people who voice their opinion after all isn’t this just what Legasea is doing, voicing recreational opinion.No doubt some would say I’m pro commercial  but that not the case, I just don’t see that this anti commercial campaign will get recreational anywhere. There is this constant us vs them situation going on across all platforms of social media and it not helpful to any sector by where one lot blames the other and vice versa.     

Regards

Paul
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