Moving Auckland Port to Manukau Harbour

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    Posted: 19 May 2022 at 4:42pm
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I see that money has been allocated in the budget to research moving Ports of Auckland to the Manukau harbour.  I'm no expert, but my prediction is that a bunch of consultants are going to take a couple of years and charge millions of dollars to say that the Manukau harbour is not suitable for a modern container port.
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How could it possibly be more suitable than present location?? 
Totally agree. Maybe time to set up as a consultant.
Smudge can probably write a report for them now for a fraction of the cost.
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Auckland's main shipping port needs 365 day access. That immediately counts out the Manukau Bar. There's no where for boats to hide if they're waiting outside for port space. Imagine being anchored out there tomorrow with 6 to 8m swells predicted. The distance from there to the next port is considerable, when they are visiting more than one.

The fact that they have even considered it is gross incompetence. Let alone allocate money to it. 5 minutes thought shows how stupid the idea is.
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Couldn't agree more with all three of you.

Watch the 'Trough snouters' queueing up for a piece of the action.

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Whangarei makes sense,upgrade the rail line,solved
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That doesn't seem to be the option on the table?
Manukau or down town Akl. How much money does it take to work out that it is a non-starter?
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Here are a few good reasons why not.

The bar crossing is only 5m deep at low tide on the South channel. If the swell is 3m then that doesn't give much draft for a ship.

It's a long slow trip up the harbour

The roads out of Onehunga won't handle trucks. Those roads are already full

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Where are all the containers and cars going to be stored?
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How close is the nearest rail freight centre?
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Never happen they are just kicking the can down the road and trying to push the decision out for another 5 years.
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I thought they were going to put a big breakwater and new container wharf complete with a nice marina with shops and all off Muriwai. Isn’t that happening?
Could even do trans-Tasman ferry terminal while they are at it... maybe even a tunnel to Sydney in years to come.
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https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/128697346/budget-2022-manukau-harbour-port-idea-gets-another-nudge

So the big shipping companies will send a ship down the west coast to the manukau, then all the way back up around the top of the north island and then down to Tauranga.
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Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:

I thought they were going to put a big breakwater and new container wharf complete with a nice marina with shops and all off Muriwai. Isn’t that happening?
Could even do trans-Tasman ferry terminal while they are at it... maybe even a tunnel to Sydney in years to come.
Wink.  Some people just have no imagination!



Mate they could cut a big channel from down town Auckland through to Onehunga so the container ships can come in through the waitamata drop their Auckland containers off at the Onehunga wharf then sail back out through the channel and carry on down to Tauranga.

They could also run ferry’s through the channel and sort the traffic problems at the same time. Haha
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absolutely nuts to consider Manukau now

they should have committed to the manukau 50 years ago, and dug a ditch through to the tamaki estuary so that you have a cut through to the east coast for commercial shipping - far too late to do it now though

whangarei seems to be the obvious solution
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Jim Henson passed away before all the muppets had appropriate jobs. Hence our public service m/puppets.

The Port of Tauranga proposed a merger years ago, to be declined by our then Auckland care givers, go figure.

The major cost of a rail link north was identified by both as a limiting option back then. 

But no was the answer. 

The shipping companies are ruling out NZ as a direct delivery location. Too many ports. Too shallow in some ports for the next generation vessels. Potentially we will live with (inbound at least) the added cost of transshipping, for most imports. From memory some 30 percent of inbound containers were empty to deal with dairy, etc. outbound. Be interesting to know how that cost was shared.

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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/manukau-harbour-proposal-for-auckland-port-slammed-over-major-environmental-iwi-concerns/QWXPNPOC4R4D5K6QR2LVPWASVQ/


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Got the answer,stop importing and start manufacturing again.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

How close is the nearest rail freight centre?
Smudge you should bundle up those replies, print them under a nice letterhead, and send it in with the invoice.
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There is a Auckland Uni, study over many decades on the movement of the huge bank of black sand that has been going up the coast from taranaki . I understand movement has been going of for a few 100yrs.
From memory, as at a few yrs back the top edge is up around Port Waikato.
Which was re reason for sand encroaching some buildings not long back.
Yes currently its high seas and erosion digging at the houses, which is a different but parallel matter.
I cant rem when it gets to the Manukau, but was within my life time.
 I have noticed a significant change in the banks /shallows on the inside of the waikato bar and narrowing of the main channel.

I do not know the actual reason why the Onehunga port was closed down...but as a kid we fished between the freighters off the wharf back then... late 50s to mid 60s. But Im sure there was a good economic reason for it, maybe including bar access etc.

Now throw in in the commonsense stuff you guys are saying about the bar...PhD s are far too often, to confirm what commonsence guys already know, at huge expense.
And I would not be surprised there are already a few research thesis on the bar floating around.
 Throw in the huge black sand bank movement up the coast.
Throw in land access, which lets us not forget only recently this has been done at millions dollars of research and consultancy, and a bone of contention  (like the Mill Rd project)
And they want to spend more millions going over the same damn stuff again???
Like duplicated the harbour bridge.crossing BS consultancy and waste public money of resent yrs.

We as rate payers and tax payer are actively watching our money go to consulting etc in numbers way out of proportion to any other government ... and then when or if every followed thru so often a total failure at the coal face.. everything from 'child poverty. law and enforcement to mental health, education.

This/ these is a very bad redirections of public funds from the coal face and pretty much helicoptering (with serious inflationary effects) of public funds into area of the economy where should not be going.

This is so wrong on so many faces.

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My thinking is Maharangi east, there's a 30m hole in the middle of the harbour, dig the hills out of the way, fill the estuary, there's a main highway no one will be using soon, handy Auckland, only one problem, some idiot built a new motorway in the way to allow for the new railway tracks, maybe dig another tunnel for a trainWink 
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It's politics.  They feel they need to be seen to be doing something whilst in fact doing nothing constructive.
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