Milky White Flesh in Snapper - Update

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2 weeks ago, near Tiritiri Matangi, 5 keepers, only one with milky flesh.
Yesterday, near Whangaparaoa. 3 keepers, small around 32cm. All firm flesh.

So - assume that the poor condition syndrome, is possibly over??

To review - my experience, off WHangaparaoa - from early winter  July 2022 to Feb 2023; caught most with milky flesh. March, reducing number with milky flesh. April, none milky flesh. 
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Just finished filleting 13 snapper from man o war bay,all firm no mush and all have mussels in guts
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Another thought, and yet again posibly naive after Pcj's post. Could the fact the weather and therefore the water has been so warm for so long that the fish are nooking themselves silly over and over while not feeding properly.
Now there has been a definite drop in temperature and presumably water, they are now feeding properly and not prowling the red light districts anymore.
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Exactly my thoughts as well V8-Coupe. we have never had 3 years in a row of this easterly weather pattern. Water has been constantly very warm.  Back to normal westerly now for the next 7 years i hope

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I think your right Kevin out on the firth this afternoon for an hour 5 snapper all in good condition and no white fillets
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Landed some cracking snapper out at GB this wkd... All in fantastic condition nice and fat.
Good to see.
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Never seen a milky fish off my local. its close by a marine reserve that's probably why theres heaps of mussels, kinas and scollies.
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THey are still here - caught 5 snapper off Whangaparaoa, 4 were thin with milky flesh.
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All OK up Tutukaka way.

Don't understand why this syndrome/condiion/disease is not understood, given the importance of the snapper fishery.  Has it ever been seen before?
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I've seen it in poor conditioned fish over the years but not in the numbers that have been reported.It's something I've seen on fish after spawning when the fish are very thin. I've only really seen it on kahawai, gurnard and snapper.
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Ive read in the Herald, from a survey of commercial fishers  ..."80% of respondents reported having to change where they fish or their fishing methods within the past 2 years, due to the presence of silt, forestry slash and debris...."
I wondered if silt on the bottom might be the cause of the markedly worse condition of snapper in the inner Hauraki Gulf.

But on reflection - a bloke said the snapper in Kaipara Harbour are not showing the same poor condition; and I think silt would be as bad or probably worse there, so I dont think thats thwe cause.
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Anyone been having this issue lately?  Caught a small snapper off Tutukaka yesterday which seemed milky and soggy flesh...

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Still a problem up here, but somewhat patchy.

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Went out a couple of weeks ago, caught our limit of reasonable fish. No measure needed and no milky flesh whatsoever.
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Still getting Millie’s Whangarei and they were my two biggest snaps too which made me feel guilty. Since it’s winter and snapper won’t be spawning in winter and we still get Milkies it won’t be that. And the food source is the same it’s always been around here if not better starving is doubtful I’m think a suggestion on here is the high amount of fresh water might be worth looking into. I haven’t caught Milkies hardly over 50 years of fishing till the last two and the weather up north has been rain everyday so hmmm. 
Something I’ll try next weekend which was told to me via a local on FB on Whangarei is leave the fillets overnight in glad wrap and the fillets come right and lose their Milkieness the next day so I’m keen to try this. I can identify milkies easier now as sunken behind head and thin etc. they are stressed for sure. Sur-raised the fisheries haven’t got to the bottom of it yet and gov shared the info. Fisheries management are a mystery to me 
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Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

Something I’ll try next weekend which was told to me via a local on FB on Whangarei is leave the fillets overnight in glad wrap and the fillets come right and lose their Milkieness the next day so I’m keen to try this. 

Interesting - let us know how that goes and what it tastes like (the neighbour's cats loved the one I had).
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Went out from Stanmore Bay couple of weeks ago the largest fish I caught just wasn’t right and had a very mushy texture, definitely had better.
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None reported from Kaipara or Manukau with this problem that I know of. Simply dont believe starvation.
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Good evidence from the research that's been done to date that the milky condition is a result of malnutrition. That's quite consistent with the physical appearance as those fish are skinny. It seems to be confined to the northern East Coast but as to the cause, that's unclear. Will see if we can get some detailed info so stay tuned.
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It maybe malnutrition but that maybe a symptom of virus, fresh water stress, new type of Alge bloom etc etc etc. if fish are dieing of starvation with such a low biomass we can never increase biomass. Heard Kawahai now starting to show up and they eat other foods as well as trevs. Wonder how crayfish are fairing ? 
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