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Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

I’ve just finished filleting the fish I caught today, 1 white and completely mush 2 others thin and borderline. I have been fishing the lower firth all summer where’s there plenty of food, mussel farm pipi and cockle bed and a rāhui on shellfish from the local iwi along most of the Thames coast and I haven’t caught a white filet fish yet. Having said that I don’t tend to catch the large amount of small fish like I out in the gulf.

Today like most days this year using micro jigs I was catching so many small fish I was nearly sick of them. I would have thrown back 50 no problem.

So I think it is a food problem, I recon this all started when they increased the size limit, I have fished the gulf for 40 years and I have never seen so many small fish this year.
Small fish started about early february on the opposite side of firth,had 1 gurnard soft/mush and yesterday 1 32cm milky,waiheke farm holding lots of undersize. Not convinced on food problem in farms,thinking micro plastics? seen lots of those beads around
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Different angle , there must be tons of that **** out there now ...
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Got 1 milky snapper today and took note of gut content,still had roe water still hovering around 17.8c
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so what was the roe content?
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Originally posted by Phoenix_Protocol Phoenix_Protocol wrote:

so what was the roe content?
have another read gut had roe.what the  do you think roe is
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oops sorry buddy i meant to say what was gut content of milky fleshed snapper OuchWacko
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Originally posted by Phoenix_Protocol Phoenix_Protocol wrote:

oops sorry buddy i meant to say what was gut content of milky fleshed snapper OuchWacko
still having row at this time of year,can only go to spoil?
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Today 14 snapper for zero white flesh. Just had the one milky one last week out of many trips in Bream Bay.
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10 snaps 7 gurnard out of bream bay and happy to say no milkies.  Been a while to get a zero milky catch 

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20 snapper over the weekend, Colville.. no milky ones
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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No milky snaps off Tutukaka for me in months and months - can't rememebr the last one
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21 snapper on the weekend between 4 of us on the firth and no milky filets.
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 No milky snapper in Riverton  either Smile
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Hmmm.  Had one off Tutukaka (Ngunguru Bay) today - the first for a long long time.  The rest were fine.

PS  Comms boat doing something up and down the bay offshore: the small local fella.
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From Tindale marine research

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An in-depth scientific report has found a mix of complex climate
factors are likely causing Milky White Flesh Syndrome.
Fisheries New Zealand's director science & information, Simon
Lawrence, says snapper with the condition appear to be skinny and
have mushy, white flesh rather than their usual translucent, firm flesh,
and are malnourished.
"Early and ongoing tests ruled out exotic disease and food safety
issues, meaning that fish with the syndrome are still safe for people to
eat if they choose to," says Simon Lawrence.
"The evidence suggests a complex interplay between factors,
including extended La Niña weather patterns and warmer waters
causing lower production of the phytoplankton and zooplankton that
provide important food sources at the bottom of the food chain.
"This is a complex issue, and is more likely to be due to the effect of
recent weather patterns and natural changes in fish biology
throughout the seasons. Prevalence of the syndrome appears to be
declining which supports these theories.
"Warmer ocean temperatures may also be affecting snapper
metabolism, meaning they need to use more energy and require more
food."
Mr Lawrence says the report found that a lack of food was the likely
cause of the syndrome, but there was no evidence to suggest that
fishing was the cause of that.
"Overall, we've been seeing more snapper in the Hauraki Gulf for some
time. The fishery is abundant, with plenty of younger fish entering the
stock, all competing for food.
"Commercial fishing does not affect the main food sources of
snapper.
"They are opportunistic feeders and are unfussy about what they will
eat."
Mr Lawrence says the areas in the Gulf where bottom trawling was
permitted did not correlate with the areas where the syndrome was
most prevalent.
The National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research (NIWA)
undertook research on behalf of Fisheries New Zealand and collected
a range of data, including information from commercial and
recreational fishers about affected snapper and where it had been
caught.
The syndrome has been most prevalent throughout the inner Hauraki
Gulf, near Auckland, and around Doubtless Bay near Northland.
Researchers considered data gathered from fishers together with
environmental information, such as sea surface temperature, to
determine if any changes had occurred in the period before fish with
the syndrome were seen.
"We know that individual growth rates of all snapper around New
Zealand have declined over the last 15 years as snapper abundance
has increased, which could be explained by the mix of factors at play."
Fisheries New Zealand has received recent reports about snapper with
a few similar symptoms on the North Island's west coast. Some initial
tests have been undertaken and Fisheries New Zealand continues to
investigate, but there are no biosecurity concerns.
"The report underlines this complexity and its insights will be used in
future fisheries assessments," Mr Lawrence said.
Distribution and potential causes of milky fleshed snapper in SNA 1 -
Report [PDF, 5.1 MB]
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Its good that it is now known. Its as I assumed - due to rising sea temperatures, affecting some of the snappers food chain adversely. I would assume that longer term, snapper will move away from northern areas eg Hauraki Gulf, and become endemic in places further south where they are not now seen. 
That could be a big pity for Auckland fishers; although I wonder what will take its place - perhaps eventually, Nanygai that are endemic to warmer subtropical seas eg Queensland - a lovely fish very similar to snapper. Meantime we have to put up with poorer fishing.
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Yes I hope it’s not a sign of the future, but interestingly snapper do seem to being caught further south.
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Caught 5 snapper in Hauraki Gulf, near Tiri island.Lengths 32-36cm.  All were very good condition, no sign of milky flesh and fat. Looking back I see lately there have been very little mention of milky snapper, so perhaps it has gone? 

I looked at at many places for 4 hours, for zero fish caught - thats not even tiddlers caught. I would normally give up, but I persevered, and got onto some keepers; anchored with berley. Wont say where.

Oh, later a milky has turned up. I think my assumption it was over, is probably wrong - my 5 goodies was coincidental.
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Got 1 snapper turning to mush,one side milky and other side softer but filletable,coro farms
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interesting Pcj. There goes the starving smoke screen. 
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