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Scientist interviewed today on RNZ said in some places about 20% have the symptoms.
Said the Comm guys have moved out of those areas.
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I may be being over simplistic and/or even naive. I have spoken to many divers, both free and snorkel, who claim massive Kina barens abound in the gulf. Kina are apparently on the menu of Snapper. Surely a starving fish would head to these areas and have a field day. Is it that simple or am I being silly? Cheers.
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After saying that I've never seen a fish in this state, I did today. Thought it was odd when the knife went through the fillet like a hot knife through butter. I was happy with my work until I flipped the fillet over and it was as described. Looked like a dogs dinner despite good knife work and no meat left on the frame. Smelt pretty bad too. Can't ever remember a snapper smelling bad! Iki, gutted and iced immediately after catching before anyone asks!

I had planned to make kokonda. Had the ingredients for it and not much else, so went ahead with the worst piece of fish ever. Believe it or not, actually tasted good!
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I believe its too much fresh water where the fish have been hanging around. We got some mullet from a inlet and were mush compared to ocean swimmers.


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I'm getting at least one white flesh model every trip out. I'm trying to keep an eye on weight and throw the light ones back. Its in the news feed finally. I shudder to think how many fish the coms have binned. Recs too. 

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Originally posted by Sanchez Sanchez wrote:

I'm getting at least one white flesh model every trip out. I'm trying to keep an eye on weight and throw the light ones back. Its in the news feed finally. I shudder to think how many fish the coms have binned. Recs too. 

Have bring trawlers in to the discussion didnt they. Remember 2015?Sanfords said they will leave the gulf if we recorded our catches,but LEGASEA said no way will reccs report catches,Shot them selves in the foot Id say!
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I think the discussion seemed pretty ballanced PJC. They mentioned alot of factors that could be contributing. Trawling the seabed was just one of them.  Not sure what happened in 2015. Last time i checked Legasea doesnt speak for all recs and couldn't block such a move. I do think recs reporting catches isnt straightforward whatever Legasea have to say about it. I'm not against such a thing just saying its going to be tough to enforce right ? can you send me a link of whatever happened in 2015 so i can get on your page ? 
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Originally posted by Sanchez Sanchez wrote:

I think the discussion seemed pretty ballanced PJC. They mentioned alot of factors that could be contributing. Trawling the seabed was just one of them.  Not sure what happened in 2015. Last time i checked Legasea doesnt speak for all recs and couldn't block such a move. I do think recs reporting catches isnt straightforward whatever Legasea have to say about it. I'm not against such a thing just saying its going to be tough to enforce right ? can you send me a link of whatever happened in 2015 so i can get on your page ? 
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/73461972/sanford-lays-down-challenge-to-hauraki-gulf-recreational-fishmen



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And yes you are correct.They do not speak for all. NO consultation but blindly go ahead as they think they are right and everyone else is wrong.
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Yep the theory's thrown around all seem plausible. We didn't seem to land any milky ones on several fishing trips up north this summer. Yet
my brother who lives out on the Barrier has caught dozens of them....so does that mean its just a Gulf issue? Are they being caught down BOP way? I tend to agree with V8. There are billions of Kina infesting pretty much all rocky areas around inner gulf.... yet the fish are starving? Doesn't stack up
Warm water temperatures , Run-off, silt and fresh water will certainly affect the food chain.... Krill etc. 
I see mike Mora from 3 news is investigating it....Apparently he's keen fisho, So at least the whole phenomenon is being made public and awareness is being raised which is a good thing.



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I think only large snapper can bust up a kina. Not 100% sure but I freedive and never seen the smaller models do it.  Less baitfish around thats for sure. 
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Heard not enough baitfish,  as in pillies, Mack’s are also getting hammered commercially.
Very little workups of late in gulf now compared to years ago. Last year we had anchovies from about now on . But haven’t seen any yet. They (snapper) need feed to stay in good nick. Should ban netting pillies., although basically heard fished em out up here last year. My advice is don’t buy them. Also lack of decent kahawai round gulf at moment .. yet another bad sign. Some have said lack pillies is due to warmer water but doubt that… they would just be present further out if the case… which they are not.
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It's obvious really.... They are white cis males.
slowly going where everyone else has already been
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Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

It's obvious really.... They are white cis males.

I'll pay that, very good Martyn.  LOL
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Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

It's obvious really.... They are white cis males.
Have you just been hit by a motorcycle
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Maybe the skinny snapper are vegan
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We had a really weird spring with a lot of rain, and NE winds pushing warm water into the gulf. I am wondering if they spawned early, and then spawned again in Jan? I have always had the odd mushy white-fleshed snapper around Nov-Jan but have definitely noticed more then usual this summer. I filleted 5 snapper on Monday (caught on Sunday) ranging from 40cm to 70cm and they were all in great condition - caught not far from Whangaparaoa.
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Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

It's obvious really.... They are white cis males.
Have you just been hit by a motorcycle
not recently 😂
slowly going where everyone else has already been
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Originally posted by Telecaster Telecaster wrote:

We had a really weird spring with a lot of rain, and NE winds pushing warm water into the gulf. I am wondering if they spawned early, and then spawned again in Jan? I have always had the odd mushy white-fleshed snapper around Nov-Jan but have definitely noticed more then usual this summer. I filleted 5 snapper on Monday (caught on Sunday) ranging from 40cm to 70cm and they were all in great condition - caught not far from Whangaparaoa.
to me it feels like we are still in spring, gardens and lawns are still going mental.
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Happy to report, 15 snapper over the weekend, fantail bay area. Only one had slightly milky flesh.
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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Shortish trip Thursday morning from Takapuna: kept 3, all looking in very good condition.  Returned two that looked maybe a bit on the skinny side?  Dont really know.  All about 35cm.  Plus a fair few small things.  All 3 kept fish very nice looking flesh and tasted great, both raw and ceviche, a bit left over for tomorrow.

No slushy, white flesh in sight. 

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