Hahahaha. There's no amount of therapy that will save you, kitno.

whippersnappyr wrote: muppet this is just another version of the conspiracy theory stuff. You make a claim without any data, when people call you on it you ask a bunch of questions of them instead of responding to the challenge.  It’s puerile and tedious.  What is the point of this thread? To complain about the government being ineffective on an issue? If yes then you are correct because they haven’t been effective on any issue but MH is difficult like poverty etc so even a competent government would struggle To argue that all MH health is addiction based? Then give your credentials to show you are skilled in the field and provide the peer reviewed data that supports your claim. To whinge about something for the sake of it?

Remember the rhetoric?
What is the point of the big spending with no tangible results? Just a whole bunch of vagueness.
Please don’t add in the myth of poverty either.

Personally, I think that you are very much along the right lines there T.
Stats of metal health, around the world, before , as social media has developed and now show a very clear  relationship, espec in youth.

Throw the wider publicity, and everyone getting in on the band wagon to blame something, and make bigger issues than should be, of how everyone has a bad day or feels a bit down or stressed is now a major mental health issue.. And the Marketing/ propaganda that says little stuff is not normal.

Then apply where all this day to day normal stuff now needs support, which takes resources and funding away from the actual real serious cases.

Noticed a add on TV the other evening, a pill to take because you may feel a little stressed...
Think ther common sence thru.
1/you are being told being stressed on a stressful day at work is not normal.
2/ You need to take a pill for it  ...not roll with it yourself.
3/You dont learn to roll with the normal ups and downs.
4/ you now take a pill for it and damn near everything else (good food is not enough)
5/ And now what happens if stop taking the pill, and not learnt to handle normal day to day stuff.

That Advert has just trained you to be (not prevent) being a possible mental health person.

And to add to your list there T.. I often wonder how much our modern processed/ takeway, fast foods, and food additives are responsible for a lot of this, then throw in drug abuse .. on top of social media etc.

Titahi wrote: MB wrote:  Why do you think there are so many mental health problems in NZ? Is it just a lack of mental health services, or are there factors underlying it all? Ive been thinking about your question for a couple of days and how best to respond......  Truth is I dont know  the why ......  I do know that the prevalance  of mental health has not significantly increased in the past 30 years,  population adjusted ( substance use disorders, mild, moderate and acute MH issues) <span style="font-size: 12px;">As we become better at treating some disorders the prevalance of others increases.</span> Think back to pre internet and your source of information was  typically a local paper, TV1 TV2 or TV3.  Think back to yesterday and how many sources of information did you access? The advent of social media has surely played a part in our greater exposure to those with MH issues as has our understanding and acceptance. New Zealand has national stategies and initiatives, however because we rely on 20 district health boards to implement strategic  direction, we  then  often have disparate results. District health boards build IT systems that arent compatable with the heallth board down the road, GP's use a multitude of different systems to record medical records and none are compatable with each other or the health board systems. This is  a result of having 20 different health board, comonly called the silo effect..... I cant answer if there is a lack of services. The field of dreams analogy of "if you build it they will come"  springs to mind, but at what point do you stop building  acute inpatient units and start to address the problem from another direction?  Finally I think the answer   to better health outcomes, isnt  just a funding one. It starts at kindergarten and school.  Better education outcomes will flow to better socio economic outcomes  which will facilitate better health outcomes.

Thanks for your considered answer Titahi. Sorry for the delay in response. I've been in the mountains chasing deer (unsuccessfully), my own form of therapy!

Me and the Mrs talking about that right now. We're both doctors. We will see!

https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/124025178/zac-guildford-named-as-former-all-black-sentenced-for-punching-woman-in-the-face-in-appalling-act?fbclid=IwAR3BRM5A9FKzrVQdTxXz_bD2Ia8A2qQJCJYtDH8HT3dDoCJhoeIVK3Mi_e0

You would like to think a guy who has had so many second chances and earned enough money could get the right help?

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/06/just-five-extra-acute-mental-health-beds-after-1-9-billion-investment-in-budget-2019.html?cid=soc3%3Anewshubfb&fbclid=IwAR3xID23PpRV3fySitMQi9faS2fUkfA1t1XqGtaJFzeyLeR9AgQEcIQUbUs

What else can you say?