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    Posted: 03 Dec 2019 at 11:58am
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For all of those who were planning on launching camping and using this wonderful spot. the gate and beach access has been banned via a large steal gate and an enforced Rahue remains.  I dont have all the details just what I know.  Real shame.
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Is it a private beach?
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I always thought it was a DOC camp site. Camped there several times.
Also anchored in there so many times.
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I can't find any current info.

Other than a Rahui was based on fishing, kin and shellfish collecting.

This is a non enforceable policy. Just a need to respect which seems fine to me.

Can't see a closure on the campgrounds either which is doc managed.

Might be a gate closure for those who wish their perceived rights being moe forceably made.

Basically it's a dunno from me what's going on.

Someone else may come up with better info.
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Same people creating the same problems leading upto xmas!
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Originally posted by 300wsm 300wsm wrote:

Same people creating the same problems leading upto xmas!

sounds about right
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We used to launch in the next part of the bay over the hill from the campsite. I was always told the beach was private and access was a privilege in terms of that side.
Maybe continued increases in pressure are causing these closures?
Lot more people around up here lately.
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Originally posted by MATTOO MATTOO wrote:


This is a non enforceable policy. Just a need to respect which seems fine to me.


100% agree Matoo. Just to be clear this is Matai bay and Waikato bay and from what I can work out stretches to a point about 1km offshore.

A couple of weeks back the comittee met on the restoration plan, whether they extend the rahui or if it was simply a meeting on the restoraton plan and how it is going I cannot say.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northland-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503402&objectid=12282448

It is somewhat old news folks, a 2 year rahui ends in March 2020.....What did people do last summer who go there?

See my link below which "suggests" an area/map.

IMO it should go on as long as it takes for the restoration plan for Snapper/Tamure to rebuild as apex predators of kina with their tough mouth and grinding teeth. CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP Wink

Do we need to ask if its enforceable or not, if people with doctorates and local iwi identify a problem, does that question need asking?

Kina can be like the crown of thorns star fish on the Great Barrier reef AU. They destroy the reef when out of control and spread like Cane Toads.

The majority here are sustainability focused imo, limit their fish not fish to the limit. Maybe some just need to diversify our pallet and include the likes of Kahawai in our personal limits.....Smile

It reminds me of endangered fresh water species being harvested aka Whitebait, who already get a hard enough time with their spawning homes destroyed by Affluent. In that case I think some just dont know and in other some just won't stop until told "you can't eat our endangered fresh water fish". Cry
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12111436

Perhaps some inshore areas of NZ do need an even tighter catch limit and perhaps a total commercial ban on certain species....

Anyway

Here is a link with the map of Matai and Waikato bay, the area in purple is suggestive of the rahui area, but does no state exactly. If so the very tip of the point is about 2km out of Matai or 1km out of the headlands. Not that big a deal for boat owners 5m and up and even smaller boats on good weather windows.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/12/northland-s-maitai-bay-faces-seafood-ban-to-replenish-stocks.htm


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yeah , there is a Rahui at Taupo Bay also . I think it started in 2017 and still in place on Paua, and the mussles in particular at the bottom end on the rock . There are Paua in the bay but are on the very,very small side as I had a close look before it was enforced .
Im going to go and have a look at a spot I know has got them to see the progress after 3 years of Rahui .
Will report back early Jan
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Originally posted by the demon the demon wrote:

yeah , there is a Rahui at Taupo Bay also . I think it started in 2017 and still in place on Paua, and the mussles in particular at the bottom end on the rock . There are Paua in the bay but are on the very,very small side as I had a close look before it was enforced .
Im going to go and have a look at a spot I know has got them to see the progress after 3 years of Rahui .
Will report back early Jan


You are a good sort Demon, much appreciated. Anything to do with Paua gets my back up. Its not like abalone cannot grow anywhere in NZ. It is us, the greedy ones, who have poached many places to non existance. Im sure nobody on this forum is that sort given how many of us are sustainabiity focussed. But man it pisses me off. Like the lady at Taranaki got caught with something like 150 undersized Paua, Im not sure she got in any trouble at most it was a small fine. Its such a hypocrtical system. Anyone caught clearly poaching, the occasional accidental one is not poaching, being one over the limit is not poaching, fisheries are not stupid, its the 150 sort, just make it a blanket rule for all, car and boat or any associated gear confiscated and sold, money put into restoration programmes. Angry

One of the chaps working on the Matai bay one was working on the Motiti Isld one in Tauraunga. He currently only has a BSC, I hope he goes on to get his doctorate as a young Maori man, we need more of his sort who can work with local Iwi to set up fair restoration programmes, both to the locals and Iwi and to visitors, so there is something left for not just us but our following generations when we are well and truely gone. Id like to think Kiwis are smart enough for that to occur.

Id be keen to get up there and go for a freedive to see what the reefs look like too. Hopefully closer to the Poor Knights where one biologist has said the Snapper are the apex predator on the reef strangely with a lack of Bronze Whalers, usually a showing of Sharks represents a healthy reef, but apparently their numbers are low. Either way it shows how quickly Snapper bounce back given a chance and the 40lb monsters there would make short work of Kina, but last time I was there, still plenty of Kina, just non invasive.
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