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Despite the forecast telling me there was going to be gusts upto 50 knots, thunder, lightning & rain, I thought i'd try my luck anyway and just aswell because it was mint out there, hardly any wind and one short light shower was all we had to put up with. Took my brother out for a fish, went straight to my usual spot in the waiuku channel and consistently caught fish from around 11.30 till about 2.30 with a small quiet patch when the tide was slack, 15 gurnard kept and about 4 under 35cm released, we were still catching fish when we decided to call it a day.
Also a question for you knowledgeable guys out there, who can tell me what kind of shark this is...? Never caught one before and managed 2 of them today! The first one in the pic was over a metre long and had a black cord hanging out it's mouth so I grabbed it with the pliers and pulled and whatta ya' know, a little stingray, wasn't expecting that! Let this fella go and 30 mins later it's mumma turned up, atleast twice the size and twice the girth of the smaller one, unfortunately once I got it to the boat it twisted it's tail around the mainline and broke free so I didn't get a picture, was the same kind of shark as earlier though, grey and covered in black spots. They seemed like quite docile fish, both just felt like a big weight on the end of the line and didn't put up much of a fight at all, especially the bigger one.

Cirrus - on average these gurnard had noticeably larger amounts of roe in them, a big change from what I have seen lately, so that would match up with a late spawn...?




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went out on the Manukau yesterday, got into some good gurnard down by the airport.  average weight for us .900   nice and fat .Big tide didn't help, but salted tuna was the winner 
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certainly find it interesting observing the migration patterns of fish and how they come and go. Adds another dimension to fishing .
I have noticed by end of July they were fully roed up and then thinned out. Assumed they then spawned in the spring out in the open water off the coast. But who knows. Not sure if this pattern happens in other areas.
Maybe they come inshore to feed up on plentiful food before spawn.
Perhaps the opposite of Snapper who mostly seem to come inshore after spawn to fatten up before heading off shore for winter
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Very strange indeed. Is winter their usual spawning time? We must almost be at the end of winter time by now... This is my first year of consistently fishing the harbour so I don't really have any patterns from previous years to compare to. The fish seem to have been in pretty good condition on average but just lacking roe?
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Thats strange Coxie. Maybe a very late spawn.Cant see why though. My last fish was about 3 weeks back and the around half of the biggest had not a trace of row. Doubt they had spawned as they were very fat,excellent condition.
All previous years by end July all Gurnard had ripe roe.Then they went off. Never saw one without roe or milt.
But not this year. So what does that Mean. Probably means i dont know very much about gurnard.
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2 of the 3 did have roe but only small amounts... and the biggest one had none at all. Also not even one kahawai today which is a first...
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so gurnard have reappeared. Not bad for 1 hour. Were they roed up.
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Got out on the water today but only got just over an hours worth of fishing before it got too rough so I called it a day, managed 5 gurnard in that time though, kept 3 and put the smaller 2 back, plenty of sharks around too. I'll be out again tomorrow morning if the weathers any good but it's not looking likely...
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Thanks for that info guy's on the trevally & I was reading only yesterday that flooded river mouths are good to hook up on them, when a storm comes through, so with all the rain that we have been having lately i,m thinking about giving it ago!!. With the white bait season coming on their might be a few fish hanging around those spots for a light snack or two.Haven,t had white bait for a while myself come to think of it & lets hope the season is going to be better than last year.
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ive been still playing around with that *Bling on the end of my line & having good results over the summer & autumn fishing months, but another thing I have noticed about it, is if I Bling it up a bit higher it keeps that red weed from getting around the baits, which some times can be a right bugger in the Manukau Harbour.I showed John Moran and he thought it was a great idea as their is nothing worse than having to reel your line in all the time to clear the weed from your bait. 
Also "Smudge", I,m crossing my fingers on next months issue of NZ Fishing World mag!!
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I haven't targeted trevs for ages but I'm not getting much as a by catch either. Now til December is a good time to try though and i would try fishing from low tide up in very shallow water as it floods over the banks. Small pillie cubes fished over scallop beds is what I used to do also.  some of the banks around Ropers used to do well.


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thats 3 more trevelly than me coxie,except for one just legal one returned.I dont think they are there anymore. Trevelly fishing could be fast and furious,with almost immediate hook ups one after the other.
Still fish areas that have plenty of Trevelly food ,& horse mussels .
Wonder if the Trawlers clean them up on the open coast before the enter the harbour.
Before they vanished i was told there was quite a bit of gill netting for trevs inside the harbour.
This stopped when the Hector dolphin protection zone came in. This was the same year the Trevs vanished. I thought it would improve things but didnt. same for rig. these have dropped dramatically in numbers too
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I'll be back out on the harbour this weekend weather permitting but it's not looking good with all these bad reports lately, always worth a try though. And on the subject of trevally, I've caught probably 2 or 3 since the beginning of the year in probably around 40 fishing trips... they just don't seem to be any around...
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Damm. Just what has happened previous years to me,and i thought i had lost my Gurnard touch
So where do they go. I would assume they would spawn outside on the open coast ,but just a guess.
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Well, with the change in weather forecast we got out for a quick fish this afternoon.  But did about as well as Club Matt did.  Tried three spots along the Waiuku channel, but it was dead out there today.  Talking to a guy at the ramp when we got back he said he had heard the same story from other people coming back in, so at least it wasn't just us.
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"Yes" I would say even with 4 hours fishing, and no bites, I still think  a bad days fishing is better than a good days work.
However it is interesting  the comments made of the down turn of Trev,s in the harbour. Is this true to everyone, or is it a case of finding better locations around the harbour that are more successful in catching them, as "myself" have had poor success in finding them & as percentages go, would be only 1 per cent of the species I catch in the harbour each year.
I don,t have a problem with that, as Gurnard are my forte but Trevally are always great to hook up on light gear which I have missed for a while. 
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Fishing and finding fish can be complex. Seems the Kaipara holds more and bigger snapper in winter than Manukau. Is that because the Kaipara has a deeper and wider entrance.?
What i used to find in The Manukau was this. Could fish all winter there ,rarely fished elsewhere except sometimes the Firth -Kawa kawa bay area in winter.
Until about 10 years back Gurnard were not my dominant catch.   It was trevelly. Normally 5-10 a trip-every trip. Mainly school size in winter -May through to september -up to about 3-4 lb. The bigger ones used to turn up October -November and also up the harbour -April -May. So Gurnard were a by catch.
Then suddenly about 10 years back trevelly failed to show. Despite fishing Huia banks area and up the harbour i almost never see a trevelly now. But gurnard seemed to have become more dominent in the same areas that held trevelly. I still fish those same areas,still used Bonito or Pillies for bait. So if Trevelly were there i would catch them. But i dont anymore. By the same token i used to catch quite a few Spotted dogfish-(rig). These too have almost vanished. So something has changed but really dont know what
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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

interesting not one fish. i wonder. previous two seasons fishing stopped for me end august. Could not find gurnard after that. Thought just me having a couple of poor trips. The vanishing co-incided with them being fully roed up. Decided they must have gone out deep-open sea  to spawn.Yet this year i have caught very few with roe,and thought late season. Who knows. The plot thickens.
 
Cannot speak for the Manukau but on the Kaipara rather peculiar things seem to be happening inasmuch as various species seem to be congregating in different parts of the harbour. Snapper seem to be grouping in the deeper parts of the western side with gurnard in the med to shallow parts both eastern & western with ky everywhere with some days all good size & other days smaller on average plus trevs something of a rarity.
 
Maybe it has something to do with spawning & varying water temps in different locations as have noticed the temps well down in parts at approx 14 degrees which is lower than it was in May/June/July.
 
Also at times there are heaps of fish showing on the sounder then later on next to nothing .... suggesting the fish are on the move. 
 
If not having success at your usual spots might be worth trying somewhere quite different.
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I would expect the fishing to drop off around now Gerald, they will be spawning or close too it. I've always found late August and September to be a little tricky. There will be days when they are on the bite though, just don't expect that all the time. Now is a good time to get some stuff done at home because soon the coast is going to start firing out deep when the big snapper schools start to form.

There are times Coxie when you wont catch a fish no matter how hard you try!


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Is that right Cirrus? Wonder if they'll do the same this year. It does seem like a late season for them but recently they all seem to have row, but not huge amounts of it...
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interesting not one fish. i wonder. previous two seasons fishing stopped for me end august. Could not find gurnard after that. Thought just me having a couple of poor trips. The vanishing co-incided with them being fully roed up. Decided they must have gone out deep-open sea  to spawn.Yet this year i have caught very few with roe,and thought late season. Who knows. The plot thickens.
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