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Thanks for the replies guys. Interesting. We just started diving for crays thus year (in the BOP) and have to say there seems to be plenty about. With getting 6 per day not too hard. Kinda wonder if it's as bad as is made out
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Yes crays can nest up in some areas.
The data used came from catch stats from over 500,000 commercial pot lifts per year, standardised by month, area and vessel.  The decline is substantial and widespread.
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Thanks John. Im definately no expert! That would certainly provide a true indication of the state of the fishery. Cheers
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Work this week on swordfish, southern bluefin tuna, FishCare principles. LegaSea has set up a great stand at the Tauranga Fishing and Boat Show. Stop in for a chat with the team.
 
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Whats going on re the Swords John?Like some other boats I had a rapidly building number of Sword charters from US anglers before the Tuna guys started suddenly getting a lot of Sword 'by-catch'. That was a complete screw up as it shut down a building charter segment that was bringing in $'s that the commercial rape at that time just killed. Got to sell a lot of kg's of dead Swords to replace a $20k visitor who only wants one if even that.

I would be keen to see if some of the areas that are within reasonable range of the recreational fleet could be off limits for the commercial fleet. Probably the same for Puka, Bass, Bluenose when they come up for review. I am not sure how much the commercial guys take from near shore area's but there is bound to more conflict as more rec boats get into these fisheries.  Probably a pipe dream and of course enforcement would be tricky unless there are GPS locators and cameras etc. If the comm guys with the experience and big capable boats fish wider, and the rec guys are fishing closer in because they can't get so wide, we might have a low conflict shared fishery that works.

An issue with these stocks is how seasonally  'localised' they are. Means that 1 or 2 commercial boats targeting an area can heavily deplete it really quickly. They just move on to the next spot but dozens of rec boats might waste a lot of days and $'s fishing depleted areas because they don't know what has been done before they get there.

Do we know where the primary harvest areas are for commercial Swords, Puka etc. Not spots but the wider areas they target and how far out they normally fish?
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Informative article re: the Kai Ika (free fish heads) initiative between Outboard Boating Club and Papatuanuku Marae:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/108562617/marae-pushes-back-against-fast-food-culture-with-fish-head-offerings
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The Legasea Moa beer is a nice drop!
Took me a while to find somewhere stocking it, but found it at New World in Albany 
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Just reading a stuff.co.nz article pertaining to NZ First shooting down a govt fisheries advice type panel (obv nothing new there with them being owned by the comms).

Buuuuut disturbingly the article stated that "Graham Sinclair from recreational fishing group Legasea" was due to be on the panel. Could the Legasea officials please state if he is indeed representing Legasea?
Personally as a long time donator I would be disappointed if this was true - given the seafood NZ sponsorship of his fishing shows and the general commercial industry propaganda type nature of his content these days.
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No Graham has nothing to do with Legasea!!

He self proclaims to represent all recreational anglers,sure as **** doesnt represent me.



interesting read.

www.toko.org.nz/petitions/open-letter-to-remove-oceans-bounty-from-tv-3
This program, Oceans Bounty, bought and paid for by the Commercial fishing industry and hiring the services of our so called "recreational representative" Graham Sinclair clearly breaches the 3 broadcasting standards of Balance, Accuracy and Fairness. 
We ask for the immediate removal of this series from tv3 and an apology from each of the sponsors and the host be aired to inform the public of this breach.

water water everywhere,how many fish does it hold?
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That's a major typo, have flicked an email to LegaSea to let them know....
A king on the bricks is worth 5 in a boat.
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Thanks Guys.  Yes Legasea are aware of the error in the article.  Sinclair was on the old FOOF Technical Advisory Group.  When LegaSea asked who he was representing, the answer was he was an individual with knowlegde of recreational fishing.
 
Stuart Nash was looking to form a new group with new membership and that is the one that has been canned. 
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Limit your catch this summer


Crayfish stocks on the northeast coast are in trouble and they need a helping hand from all fishers. Hauraki Gulf crayfish have been described as “functionally extinct”. Public access to crayfish has suffered because of overfishing, poor management, and low abundance.


In April, commercial catch limits were reduced by 60%. New recreational controls won’t be in place until mid-2019. Many divers and fishers have told us they want to help rebuild crayfish stocks.


LegaSea, the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council, New Zealand Underwater Association, and Spearfishing New Zealand are taking a proactive stance to help rebuild crayfish abundance. Together we are promoting a voluntary reduction on daily harvest from six to three crayfish per day in the Bay of Plenty, Coromandel, and Hauraki Gulf over the coming summer.


Public fishers who target crayfish are encouraged to join our members in this conservation initiative.


Restoring abundance

Now is a good time to reduce the daily bag limit from six to three because it will assist the early stages of the rebuild, leaving more crayfish in the water leading into the next spawning season.  The faster we can turn this fishery around the better.


Meantime, Fisheries New Zealand is consulting on an official bag limit reduction and a new method called telson clipping to identify recreational catch. The NZ Sport Fishing Council does not currently support telson clipping and will respond to FNZ by the December 19th deadline.


Let’s do our part. Please join us in leaving more crayfish in the water.


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Amending the rules for commercial

fishers that set out what fish must be

brought back to port and what fish can be

returned to the sea
 
The Minister has released a discussion document on changes to the fisheries regulations. The main proposal is to remove size limits for commercial fishers and require them to land their catch. There may be some exceptions for low value species like spiny dogfish and blue shark.
 
 
I have read the paper and it is short on detail. Another scheme that might work in the deep water fisheries but does not address issues in the inshore shared fisheries, how it will be enforced, our international reputation when we try to market tonnes of tiny fish, or what will happen with high value sports fish like kingfish that have benefited from a commercial minimum legal size.
 
Some fishing company bosses have already called for additional quota to cover the undersize fish they catch - there is no mention of that in the document. It seems cameras are on hold for now - bending to industry pressure. Also a proposal to make it (administratively) easier to change recreational bag limits and size limits.
 
It all seems to be based on the theory of getting incentives for commercial fishers right so that they will change the way they fish to avoid catching small fish. What happens if Asian markets prefer small fish??? 
 
Why not move bulk harvesting out of the areas where juvenile fish are most abundant.
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Scary stuff really. So they have a problem that the commercial boats don't report accurately (main issue they discuss in the document as a 'reason' for change). So we won't implement more monitoring to make them report better. Instead we will change the rules so they don't have to report so much. No real discussion about how this will improve sustainability, just makes life easier for commercial fishing companies.

I thought that there was science to suggest that taking all the small fish out of a biomass would badly impact on the biomass growth. i.e. they shouldn't be removed from the biomass until after they have spawned at least once. Do I have that right, or is that 'old science' now?

Then they talk about maybe making returning fish to the sea more flexible??? Aren't trawled fish pretty much dead once they hit the deck?

They say that they need to 'encourage' more sustainable fishing methods. What the hell is wrong with legislating more efficient methods like other countries do. Why do we have to keep fishing with 30 year old processes destroying the environment and fish biomasses because that is easiest for the commercial fleet?

So why not enforce the monitoring and give the comm fleet performance targets in terms of waste and environmental damage to be met over the next few years. That is how the government regulates everything else in society. More enforcement and bigger fines.  Penalties to be put on those fishers that don't comply. I bet then there would be some emphasis on finding less damaging ways to fish. As a baseline for future performance targets we could use the waste levels they are currently reporting. Seems fair doesn't it?? Hope they haven't been under reporting their waste though!!!
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Went and read the next section on changing TACCS and bag limits etc. Not sure how the government thinks it is going to get commercial fishers to agree to simplifying the TACC adjustments. Could be some big and expensive court cases in our future unless the movements are all up rather than down.
As for the rec limit changes this just smells of a way to make them less of a public discussion point. Why do they need to fast track rec limit changes when they only collect enough data to review anything once every 10 years or whatever the average per stock is. I don't really have any issue with removing wasteful bureaucracy but the chances of this benefiting the rec sector in any way are pretty low I expect. In reality we need these rec adjustments to be as long and drawn out and as public as possible, because the moment they can be 'slipped through quietly' we will likely see a much faster eroding of our remaining limits.
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The technical changes bit sounds like they need to install cameras etc, but they have put that on the back burner when it was all about to happen. Who knows what that part is all about. Not expecting much to happen from it.
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Tagit  I guess this is the remainder of the issues that MPI want to deal with from the FOOF process which started 4 years ago.  It has been quiet for a while.

Yes killing small fish still reduces Yield Per Recruit. We nearly had agreement to increase the snapper commercial size to 30 cm but I guess the trawlermen vetoed that.  Most of their fish would be dead or have low survival, but the longline fish are generally pretty strong.
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Shame on the "Greens".
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Originally posted by John H John H wrote:

]Tagit  I guess this is the remainder of the issues that MPI want to deal with from the FOOF process which started 4 years ago.  It has been quite for a while.

Yes killing small fish still reduces Yield Per Recruit. We nearly had agreement to increase the snapper commercial size to 30 cm but I guess the trawlermen vetoed that.  Most of their fish would be dead or have low survival, but the longline fish are generally pretty strong.

I don't think managed long lining is a real issue for the biomass and you hope survival rates would be reasonable. I hate watching all the long liners move into the areas we fish when the Snapper congregate in Spring, but it is what it is. We can't stop commercial extraction so maybe more long liners with selective take and less trawlers with mass destruction would make sense. If there is a viable market for long lining Snapper and other inshore species, why do we even allow trawling for them? Why allow the damage and waste, or is it that the local market gets the 'cheap' trawled fish and the export market takes the first grade long lined stuff? Hopefully more emphasis on tracking and penalizing waste/damage will encourage less trawling, but that would depend on the government actually doing something meaningful about tracking waste.

Why is it that a trawler is 'allowed' to devastate a seabed and not make any contribution to repairing it or offsetting the damage caused? Here we are working out how to charge everyone for producing CO2 or methane etc in their normal lives, but a commercial entity causing serious benthic damage gets a free pass?? Maybe if they had to repair the damage they did we might have some changes to how they do things.
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