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Extreme political stupidity at play. Nz first. No ,big corporates first.The smallest of all minorities ,the individual,  dont matter.
A few years of exported fillets. Then back to the 1980s -90s ,depleted fishery when a legal snapper in the manukau was a rarity.
And the fishery was just begining to recover so well.

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Heard Jones the other day,decrease in Orange roughy/John dory/blue cod.But increase in snapper take which will give the public lower prices. How?? If you get $50kg now why would you drop price and due to no compition how can price fall?
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More anti commercial B/S from Legasea, the science is so much better these days than what there was pre QMS and even in the years following its introduction. Yea so what if commercial have had increases they have also had some decreases, what this photo does show is that recreational have also had increases in to their allowance. FFS recreatioanl arent happy  matter which govenrment is in power, I can remember a lot of you saying when Labour got in there would be changes, well it didnt take long for a lot to bitch & moan about their fisheries minister duiring their 6 distructive years. Recreational contribute next to nothing towards fishery management but you lot sure as hell have a lot to say and in my view Legaseas anti commercial propaganda have all of you brainwashed into thinking that NZ fishery should be recreational only when the fact its a shared one, commercial, Iwi and yes recreational.

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Originally posted by Tzer Tzer wrote:

More anti commercial B/S from Legasea, the science is so much better these days than what there was pre QMS and even in the years following its introduction. Yea so what if commercial have had increases they have also had some decreases, what this photo does show is that recreational have also had increases in to their allowance. FFS recreational arent happy  matter which government is in power, I can remember a lot of you saying when Labour got in there would be changes, well it didnt take long for a lot to bitch & moan about their fisheries minister duiring their 6 distructive years. Recreational contribute next to nothing towards fishery management but you lot sure as hell have a lot to say and in my view Legaseas anti commercial propaganda have all of you brainwashed into thinking that NZ fishery should be recreational only when the fact its a shared one, commercial, Iwi and yes recreational.


The snapper fishery is declining and that's a pretty big increase Tzer.  Recreational anglers certainly have an impact on fish stocks and I would guess there's a high level of fishing crimes committed by rec fishers. Most recreational fishers struggle to identify all but the most common species of fish so yeah - there wouldn't be a lot of knowledge on fisheries management.
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I'm still bitter and completely distrust this process given how the governments (note the s) and the industry "managed" the scallop fishery around the Coromandel. 

It went pretty much like this:
  1. Massive quota increase
  2. Sod all monitoring
  3. No action when it was obvious there was an issue
  4. Commercials ignore the customary rahui which had virtually 100% community support
  5. Continue dredging commercially until the government finally stepped in and they legally couldn't
  6. Now it's stuffed for everyone and possibly generations to come.
All about solid science and sustainability -yeah right...
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Dagwood. Are talking about scallops in opito bay area?? That was orodmittly reccs gathering very little or nil commercial in the bay.
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Dagwood. Are talking about scallops in opito bay area?? That was orodmittly reccs gathering very little or nil commercial in the bay.

Not specifically Opito Bay more the wider area. 
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I think its all arse about face . I think that when stocks are low the commercial fishers are the ones who should reduce their catch . I dont think its fair that those select precious few should should be allowed to continue plundering what really belongs to all Kiwi's  .... and then sell it for profit ( blue cod hit 70 bucks a kg here  )
Im sure most commercial fishers are good blokes  .... but I think their industry attitude is selfish and greedy
I think its wrong that ****loads of crayfish and Paua are exported for huge prices that drive up the cost to a Kiwi bloke. I have only once in my 61 years seen paua  for sale in NZ ( vacuum packed and 60 bucks each ) which is a shame for us disabled enough to prevent our gathering our own . A percentage of that commercial catch should have to be sold domestically at prices that allow the average Kiwi family to put a feed on the table . Just coz you can export a cray for a hundred bucks doesnt mean a Kiwi should have to pay that for it at home .
 The fish around NZ belong to us all and as such  recreational  ( should be called  subsistence ) fishers should have 1st dibbs at the stocks   and then  and only then should the commercial guys be allowed  in ,  I mean  at the end of the day they are not catching fish for their own use , they are selling our fish to line their own pockets  while we recreational fisher are doing it hard trying to find legal fish in some areas.
 I also think that those caught  breaking the rules , specially large scale or repeat offenders  should be  delt with far more strongly . We need to send these peeps to jail  
I wish I was young again .... Id be heaps smarter than this time
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I don’t understand enabled greed for $$$.

Imagine if we bit the bullet and built up biomass of each species to 60% then managed it at that level. It would benefit all including preventing stress issues like kina barrens etc. Rec, Coms, Charter all benefit. Manage it at fingernail levels one bad event and we are decades to fix situation if we can. 

I just came back from Fiji in the weekend and had a day fishing. Caught 2 tuna in one day. Showed the crew pics at what I catch 20 minutes away from my house and they were blown away. Comms have wiped out large parts of their fishery 
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Especially when the data that these decisions on is flawed - the fact that wildlife by-catch/ death reports have been incorrect reported until actually monitored.
The data used cannot be trusted until a robust monitoring system is in place.
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yeah , thats part of the problem ..... everyone will tell self serving porkies , and the monitoring and checking up on all this  is all added costs to the operators . Maybe if beauracracy didnt suck so much out of the industry  it would be easier  for the comms to make a living  with less actual fish being taken. 
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Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

I don’t understand enabled greed for $$$.

Imagine if we bit the bullet and built up biomass of each species to 60% then managed it at that level. It would benefit all including preventing stress issues like kina barrens etc. Rec, Coms, Charter all benefit. Manage it at fingernail levels one bad event and we are decades to fix situation if we can. 

I just came back from Fiji in the weekend and had a day fishing. Caught 2 tuna in one day. Showed the crew pics at what I catch 20 minutes away from my house and they were blown away. Comms have wiped out large parts of their fishery 

Same story in Rarotonga where their leaders sold their fisheries to overseas interests.
The general population did not do well out of the deal, especially the charter industry, however, their leaders now have flash houses and cars with not a care in the world.
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Yep , another part of the problem ..... basically , corruption ,  and/or people who have their own personal gain foremost  in mind. 
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Originally posted by Dagwood Dagwood wrote:

Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Dagwood. Are talking about scallops in opito bay area?? That was orodmittly reccs gathering very little or nil commercial in the bay.

Not specifically Opito Bay more the wider area. 
Kaipara been closed for 5 + yrs.    Top of the South closed 10+ yrs why, because of enviromental damage/poisins etc same for coromandel areas. Even Shane Jones admits enviromental damage rather over fishing. Manukau holding scallops why??Because no forest devistation going on,
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Not sure I agree with that PCJ. Deforestation is a thing but there is only the north western tip on the Manukau harbour that has a significant number of trees. Loads of farm/nitrate run off from the surrounding city & farm land. I am worried that scallops will go the way of toheroa.
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Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Not sure I agree with that PCJ. Deforestation is a thing but there is only the north western tip on the Manukau harbour that has a significant number of trees. Loads of farm/nitrate run off from the surrounding city & farm land. I am worried that scallops will go the way of toheroa.
During the 70s/80s at ponui island,oranga bay(next to shark bay) there was a soft mud/sand cockle bed. Slowly over time a black sludge formed over the bed. Was last there 2010 roughly,thick black mud with dead cockles underneath. Now where did this sludge come from?? Pine harbour dredging?subdivision work beachlands? 

Mud just doesnt appear and if anyone had watched "Ocean bounty" 3 or 4 weeks ago would of seen that storm water/pollution in waterways was/is a big concern for Ministry of Fisheries Shane Jones.

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