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    Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 12:28pm
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Can only be good for the fishery. Surely it will attract species like the mussel farms do??


The company behind the farm, Pare Hauraki Kaimoana, is owned by the Hauraki Māori Trust Board, representing the interests of 12 local iwi.

Some estimates for the facility put annual production levels as high as 8000 tonnes of kingfish, a highly prized sporting and eating fish that is consumed raw or cooked.

Farmed kingfish typically has slightly different attributes to wild-caught, with a higher fat content and less of a mineral taste.

The project is expected to create 452 full-time jobs and have an economic benefit of $135 million a year.

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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Can only be good for the fishery. Surely it will attract species like the mussel farms do??



Fish farms are different to mussel farms.  The mussels filter feed (cleaning the water as they do it) and create a food source for the snapper etc. while a kingfish farm has to be fed and the waste dropping to the seabed beneath the pens could have a detrimental effect.  Also the concentration of fish could create a source of infection should something get into the penned population.

I am not against the fish farm but am reserving judgement until info on the broader impacts are released (which was out of scope of the decision in the article).

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I imagine that a few fingerlings will escape so can only be good.Wonder if snapper farming will be next??
Surely it  will attract other species to the pens to clean up waste?
I can see this only as a good move,more farming of fish then might be less need for commercial boats?
Way of the future I hope.

It did note risks of invasive species would already exist because of other marine farms in the area.

A relatively fast-growing fish, it is farmed to some degree in other countries, including Australia, Europe and the United States, and is most successfully farmed in Japan.
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It's the food source that concerns me about fish farms.
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Salmon farming has plenty of negative side effects on the environment. Pollution from salmon farms caused by the chemical treatments given to the fish, excess feed and large quantities of feces. This pollutes the ocean floor reducing oxygen and reducing another types of sea life living under and around the farms.

The gulf is already under pressure with low food stocks causing white filets on snapper. It will be interesting to see how it evolves and what the side effects to the gulf are.
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Are they going to feed them on fish taken from the area and made into pellets? 452 jobs???? Really??? Any government money going into this? Excuse my sceptical approach but seen this over and over again with Maori. Typically will fail and all the money will be gone. Just going on past history, I don't believe it is financially viable or eco friendly. Just my opinion though
slowly going where everyone else has already been
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Interesting

“Environmental groups such as Protect Our Gulf and Forest & Bird were opposed on the grounds the food used in intensive fish farming and the waste produced could risk further damaging the already strained area of the Hauraki Gulf.”
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yeah,
plenty of documentation of fishfarming around.
basicclly something like 4x[in weight] as much food needed.
ie 4 tonnes of pillys to make 1 tonne kingy.,

the sensible argument is why not just eat the Pillys?,
pretty sure thats why the Paerengarenga factory failed.
But, what can ya do,
theres some crazy ass **** going on,
lot of stuff that just doesnt make sense,
 
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It doesn't make any sense when everyone else is falling over themselves to protect the Gulf.
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Only four times as much food needed as the return in kingfish. That's probably a big improvement on how many pillies recreational fisherman use to catch a kilo of snapper fillets. FWIW my take on the state of the Hauraki Gulf has a lot to do with the commercial pilchard fishery that boomed in the 80's and continued to the point where the pilchards w buy for bait aren't caught in NZ for a very good reason - we have used them all for bait.

How many commercial pilchard boats operate out of Leigh these days? There used to be a few.

Of course I have no grumbles if they used ground up spiny dogfish to feed the kings. I could send them plenty.
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I've never used a single pilchard to catch a snapper* LOL




*Full disclosure. While that statement is true, I occasionally take my son and his mates fishing and we used salted mackerel as bait. 
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"Of course I have no grumbles if they used ground up spiny dogfish to feed the kings. I could send them plenty."

Smudge, if you are sending some, I could post you plenty from HB. Even caught one in Vtu today at 400m.
Please send me your POB.
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Kingfish /snapper/salmon/mussel farming etc Maybe a bit of pollution from feed/feaces but having the kingfish farm next to a mussel industry. The mussels will help clarify the water.The pens are in tidal streams so should help disperse waste and encourage other species to forage?
Now what do the knockers want continual trawling and wasting non quota species or dumping undersize stock.Continual seabed damage. Funny havent read anything from Legasea knocking the idea so must be all good.
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Yes I went and brought some farmed Ruakura Kingfish today ,wanted kingfish steaks but have to buy whole fish $52kg so ended with a fillet for $35.Also brought 3 big pieces of Salmon,not a fan of salmon but number 1 wanted to try it. went to Sanford downtown AK and wodered around to the frozen section and also got a kg of Scampi. Well Scampi might be ok fresh but a mess frozen,tried to boil it first and drop in to ice water Nah no success. As Tzer said use as snapper bait. King come out well and salmon,non of that rich taste assocoated with salmon that get in restuarants.Just cooked butter/garlic,slight change of colour turned it over. Yes would buy again
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[QUOTE=Pcj]Yes I went and brought some farmed Ruakura Kingfish today ,wanted kingfish steaks but have to buy whole fish $52kg so ended with a fillet for $35.Also brought 3 big pieces of Salmon,not a fan of salmon but number 1 wanted to try it. went to Sanford downtown AK and wodered around to the frozen section and also got a kg of Scampi. Well Scampi might be ok fresh but a mess frozen,tried to boil it first and drop in to ice water Nah no success. As Tzer said use as snapper bait. King come out well and salmon,non of that rich taste assocoated with salmon that get in restuarants.Just cooked butter/garlic,slight change of colour turned it over. Yes would buy again[/QUOTE

Salmon is the tastiest fish in the sea IMO
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Land based fish farming is the way forward, more expensive to produce fish but you have total control over the waste ( which you can collect and sell as fertiliser ). A number of land based fish farms started in South African 20 odd years ago. They grew fish ( can't remember what species ) then the water was filtered for solids then went into seaweed growing tanks, then they grew abalone on the seaweed then the water was returned to the sea clean. So they sold fish, fertiliser, seaweed and abalone. 
It is possible but as with most things return on investment and what the customer will pay is the biggest hurdle. Also a fish farm in an inclosed body of water ( even a bay ) is a very poor choice, proven many times over around the world. 
I used to breed and grow/sell sturgeon for a living.
This is a 1.5m 45-50 kg Huso Huso, Beluga sturgeon.

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That's impressive
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