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    Posted: 19 Jul 2021 at 7:51pm
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Does anyone have hydraulic steering on their boat? What do you think of it, and how much difference does it make to the ease of steering versus normal steering?

The 140hp engine on my 6.2m Commander is fairly heavy to turn, and since I'm thinking of replacing the engine I am also wondering if hydraulic steering would provide "power steering" to make it easier.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

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Only way to go trouble free nice to drive I installed on my 6.0mtr tinny 5 years ago and wouldn’t go back to cable, cost around $2000.00 all up
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Hydraulic all the way Thumbs Up
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Dooooooo eeeeeeeet! I finally pulled the trigger on it after this year's game season, Doh! in the few trips I have done since installation, it's soooo much easier to steer, and the fact I can let go of helm, and move around the boat is sooo handy when trolling. 

I always had a constant pull to the left with the socalled non-feedback cable steer. I hadn't fitted the trim anode that goes above the prop, but even with that there would have been constant need for adjustment while steering a straight course, that I don't have anymore with the hydraulic steering. 

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My boat has hydraulic steering, I have had it let go but each time it was an easy fix. Very seldom gives trouble and it's unusual to have two issues like I have
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I have a commander.. and V^ 150 on the back.. cable steering.
 Not the original that bolts to the transom beside the engine well, inside the boat.
 And still with original helm

The original became stiff.. I went thru all the routes
Check out old threads a few yrs back the describes how to check helm, cable, measure for new cable, remove install etc.

Cleared build up inside cable at engine,  finally worked out the cable had a worn inner sheath.. which caused stiff and bit of excessive play..espec when the adjustable tag to counter the rotation of the prop effect on steering on the bottom of the cavitation plate was set correct at normal cruising rpms/speed.

Correct length cable that has only a nice wide elipical curves as bends ( the one going from helm,  down thru the bottom of the 'cupboard' floor, and curves around then up and down inside the gunnels.... And the other that starts up under the gunnels, about where the end of the trim, shelve hole ends, gently into the side of the engine well.

The new style cables do not get mounted like the orginal.
 They go thru the steering sleeve and the lever shaft, (will have to buy one or a 2nd hand one) get bolted to the closest bolt to the engine.

 Also you will now find that you will not get full turn because of the narrow engine well on the opposite side.  By tilting the engine up and down you can mark out a hole that is oval in shape... Which if in the correct position, one of the std oval rubber blanked grommets fit  perfectly.

Have the cavitation plate compensation tag adjusted right and you have finger light steering...
Will see if have any pic already loaded to the site that shows this soon

Edit: Sry dont.. I want to delete a lot of rubbish non informational pics  but permissions dont allow, and a list of pic names to delete sent to admin doesnt work either..

Ask any questions and welcome to come have a look if local around here.
 P.S often been asked when others are on the helm , if hydrolic...as so easy to steer, no just a cable correct length , adjusted correct, correctly installed and regularly maintained/ lubed and the tag correct.
 
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I measured the orginal cable, due to how itmounts on the inside of the transom and how connects to the engine was not an option.
 I used a length of heavy household 3 core electrical cable.. the stuff used for stoves/ hot water cyclinders.
 Laid it out, made the curves, measured the length added 2" think it was... and off to Smart Marine.. They had one slightly shorter just  within the extra 2"

Come to install, turned to a bit of a mission in length connecting to the engine.. After a bit of cussing got the extra 1/2" from the curve going from helm down a little and up around inside the gunnels....which as turned out pretty well made the perfect curves for install as per the manuals.

The awkward part was hanging the cable on 'sky hooks' up over the battery box and oil tank. involved bolting a hook could hang couple cable ties to to hold up... which also enabled a tidy up of the fuel, engine cables/ loom Wink
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I'm in the hydraulic camp, neater and tidier, never seizes, finger light steering.
I've had the same helm for i4 years at least...upgraded the ram when I fitted a bigger motor a few years ago.
you can't fix an idiot with duct tape, but it does muffle them for a while...
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If you have the opportunity to fit hydraulic steering, just do it.  When I bought my current boat a few years ago I specified hydraulic steering and didn't realise just how good it was going to be.  If you asked people with hydraulic steering if they would go back to something else I don't think you would find anyone who would swap.
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Thanks very much everyone, and Steps for all the detail on the Commander. Ours is probably quite old and could be improved as-is, but when spending all that money for a new engine it sounds like a little extra for hydraulic steering might be worth it. Cheers.
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Going for new engine, within budget..totally agree DavidC

Commanders are old, even the 'new' 80s shape date back to mid /late 70s...

A lot has to do with engine size AND boat size/ weight as well.
 Get up into the larger boats 6m+/500kg+ like most (pretty sure all of them) of the above commenters have yes hydrolic certainly comes into its own.
Smaller.. heavy / stiff steering comes down to correct cable length choice installation and maintenance.
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Has any one had any problem with hydraulic steering making a bit of a crackling noise when you first launch boat.noticed mine doing it last few times out.seems to come right once every thing warms up.some one said it could be air in the system.
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Sounds like air under pressure.
Bleed system, top up oil.

Check prior for any leaks.
Trace all lines and connections.
Just cruising in my now sweetas pimped out Southern 755 HT0!
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Thanks Matt.
Noticed last night when checking for rat damage the hose that goes onto hydraulic pump had a very small drip of fluid coming out around the stainless crimp fitting where hose attaches to pump.Boat needs a service after the game fishing season so will take it to tasman marine for a birthday.
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