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Hi guys,
I've been thinking about some ideas for kontikis. Dont have one yet. (Mainly due to finances) So I'm curious how often do they get snagged? Would a way to lift the traces and sinker away from the bottom be beneficial?
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you need to get a kite rig far cheaper and no tears shed when shark bites threw main line goodbye kontiki
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Hopefully Snappa Geoff will see this and comment but quite common from what he has told me,  him and his mates find lost units quite often in Mokau - you have to be careful that there are no debris or rocks to snag lines on - also high current or surf is a no no - there is also "sure thing" which drops line out there and only line is lost if snagged.  
 
PP Kites sound interesting but you need off shore wind I assume?  What would min/max wind speed be?
 
Fishing drones sound good but I imagine payload is restricted and if it goes wrong or battery goes flat is an expensive device to lose?
 
I looked into it a few years ago and decided to stick with boat but I like being out on the water too.
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A guy at work bought one for around $2000,used it once and never again .then talked of needing a 4 wheel drive to get to the good spots.better off going on a charter or buying a boat or more fun with a surfcaster.
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We have lost a couple at the end of Muruwai Beach snagged on sandstone or trees washed out of the lagoon we think, you do,nt have a lot of time up there when you have a incoming tide and need to drive along the beach to get home both were covered on household insurance though.

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Originally posted by tidz tidz wrote:

Hi guys,
I've been thinking about some ideas for kontikis. Dont have one yet. (Mainly due to finances) So I'm curious how often do they get snagged? Would a way to lift the traces and sinker away from the bottom be beneficial?

Depends entirely on the beach you launch off.
If you make sure the beach you use is snag free, (only sand), you will never have a problem.

Floats on traces can help attract fish, (they are usually brightly coloured), and can help to get the bait up off the bottom away from crabs, but are far to light to effect the heavy sinkers used on mainline systems. 
Sleeved traces are to be avoided, they may help with tangles, but my dealer strongly 
recommended against them. 

Trade Me lists them all the time, and bargains can be had if you're persistent.
As with everything in life, the best systems cost the most, and it's up to you what system you can afford and be happy with.

I went for a GPS Seahorse, and a Pauls Fishing Systems' "Shorething" to beat the sharks.
I bought an old Toyota Surf off TradeMe to access the beach, and have never looked back.
 
I fish mainly off Karioitahi and have had a lot of success there with this gear.
It took me a little while to get the best from it, but two years on, I hardly ever use my boat any more, and I'm always keen to get back to the beach for the next set.

It's an interesting and stress free way to spend a couple of hours, and if you do everything right, nine times out of ten you will be rewarded with decent fish. 
I highly recommend them.


     

 
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I got one stuck at Thornton Beach BOP. It was going dark and didn't know how to get it unstuck. I pulled as much tension as I could on the backbone, tied 4 red balloon's to it and cut the line. I borrowed the bro-in-laws kayak and went back at first light. The balloon's were sitting just out the back and I paddled out to meet them. I used the backbone to pull myself out until the line went vertical. At this point I'd recovered 14 snoods and 4 snapper. The torpedo was 3-400m further out. I towed the torpedo back without recovering any more snoods.
So a bit of line and hardware was lost but the expensive part was saved. Apparently sunken logs are there from getting washed out the Whakatane river.
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if you want us to show you how to fish with kites all rigs happy to show you i have fished most beaches in upper north island for last 25years
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yeah we lost two rigs on seaward side of lagoon 3 kites two dropper rigs pass up their fish only bombing range
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Hi there, I have recently purchased a predator kontiki and have to say it is a great way of catching a good feed. As for snags, like all modes of fishing it is likely going to happen at some stage. I find that trying to reduce the risk is the best option. An effective way of doing this - without purchasing a shore thing - is to use the same principle of a sure thing.

Make up a longline (or get someone else to) separate to the mainline that is around 300m long, lay that on the beach in rows at 30 - 50 metre increments (ensure you are laying the longline down current...this is critical in reducing tangles). Attach all your hooks and sinkers making sure you cover your baits with sand to stop the gulls from having fielday (kids have fun scaring them away too).

Now hook your mainline to the kontiki as well as your pre-baited and weighted longline and send it out. Your mainline will stay on the surface while all your gear will be on the bottom on the separate longline. This means if you do get snagged or a shark smashes the gear off you still have the kontiki attached to the mainline, hopefully saving what matters. Like all things fishing you can't guarantee something disastrous won't happen but this method has been effective for me and as long as you get your currents and wind right aswell as having a general idea of the what the bottom is doing, in my mind this method genuinely reduces the risk.

I hope you get stuck in and catch as many fish as we have!!!

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Used to konti with the old man yrs/ decades ago.. before plastic bags and kites.
He made couple pontoons out of galv down pipe, soldered the ends over..  wood frame raft between the 2, held on with large exhaust pipe type U brackets, and a square sail that could be adjusted for wind direction.
The sinker was held up on the backbone on the back of the kon tiki along with the sail rear stay....a loops thru a fence staple and a barley sugar.
This allowed enough time (around 20/30 mins from memory, for the kon tike to take the line out, barley sugar disolved, sinker ran down the line, and the sail dropped.
 When ready, wound back in on the old garden hose real.

Used to get the odd , jam, a hook or trace on a rock or something, but with a little jiggling and good yank would come free or occasionally break that trace of.
 Sharks going down the line taking the fish was usually the biggest problem some days.

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What is the issues with the sleeved traces?
Why did your dealer recommend strongly against them?
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Originally posted by VJB VJB wrote:

What is the issues with the sleeved traces?
Why did your dealer recommend strongly against them?


They attract sharks.
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What's the logic there? I get sharks on standard traces. I also know of a old boy that uses shark for bait and gets 6 good snaps on 8 hooks. Unless someone tows out a camera and does a study...what do we know for certain?
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Not sure what the logic behind it is, but I've been told that theory by a few seasoned long liners.
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Originally posted by VJB VJB wrote:

What is the issues with the sleeved traces?
Why did your dealer recommend strongly against them?
stupid question. What's a sleeved Trace?
Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!
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I think its when the trace has a tube over it.. like that glow tube stuff.
If we drift thru a reef/ bottom foul while stray lining, and catch a rock solid, then a good pull will usually break the trace , little easier if the trace is around or over a rock as well.

If, have some glow tube on the trace (protect form fish teeth above the hook(2) its a damn sight harder to break that trace.
 Draging floating stray lines through rocky bottom would be similar to draging traces on the back of a kon tiki ???

From my post above on the old mans (late 50s / early 60s ) old school home made sail kon tiki

The sinker was held up on the backbone on the back of the kon tiki along with the sail rear stay....a loops thru a fence staple and a barley sugar.
This allowed enough time (around 20/30 mins from memory, for the kon tike to take the line out, barley sugar disolved, sinker ran down the line, and the sail dropped.

This tended to keep the line up while sailing out.
 I also rem he was quite emphatic than when winding in...a person  taking most of the weight pulling the line in like an anchor warp... it had to always have tension and be moving... Maybe it held the traces hooks better up off the sea bottom better (???)
 Was too much weight for a person to hold down and wind in all the weight on the garden hose reel. 
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I'd agree with that steps,traces with tubes will tend to stop the sharks biting through,with will make them thrash more,and up the chance of picking up the backbone and biting through it. I don't use tubes myself. Good point there.
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I dont know if tubes will stop sharks..
 When fishing gets hard, we lay the long line out.. bit of insurance, fingers crossed, save the day to take a feed home.
 Few yrs back was playing with floats to lift hooks / baits off the sea floor, and tubes.. stop having to replace traces so often because fish chew/rub the trace above the hook a little.

 I rem several times when using the lumo tubes, a sharks going up several of the traces simply cutting them off.
 My curent burly pot bag, heavy net, one side is now helfd together with quick ties cause a shark hit it a few months back.
 Would not underestimate theslicing power of a shark, even with tubes.

Now only use on west coast boat fishing, on my self tied drooper traces.. help hold the hooks out from the main line.. double loops..  hooks or fish on the hook, been taken by shark couple times.

So I get this right.. never been out bwith a modern electric kon tiki... when it goes out does it drag the main line and traces along the bottom?  
Not like my old mans where had a sinker to drop from the back of the kon tiki, when the barley sugar dissolved ?
Just thinking about that.. I dont think it went out a km or so  like the modern units.. maybe 1/4 to 1/3 miles (???)

Side note: try to buy a proper barley sugar is impossible unless in one of those craft lolly shops.
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Steps, i am curious about the barley sugar idea. And i dont even have a kontiki. Just in the way it worked. was something tied to the lollie, that would let go when it disolved?? I heave heard about this from the good old days also people who used the old life saver lollies.
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