Hawkes Bay Silt/Mud

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Talking to a couple of today who have been over Napier area diving their favorite reef for crays and paua. To find dead paua and decomposing crays.

They claim that in Napier area council have provided no where to dump silt etc from roads works and the roading contractors are just dumping it the sea.

Can anyone shed any light as to whether true or not?
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The vast majority of the silt from the initial event was carried out to sea regardless of what is currently happening. 
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Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Talking to a couple of today who have been over Napier area diving their favorite reef for crays and paua. To find dead paua and decomposing crays.

They claim that in Napier area council have provided no where to dump silt etc from roads works and the roading contractors are just dumping it the sea.

Can anyone shed any light as to whether true or not?
Could not be more wrong. Less than a Km from me, in two directions, endless trucks day and night dumping silt. Will be for the next 6 mths. Filling in land in low areas. People getting paid big money to get silt dumped on their properties ($Ms)
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Sounds like good business Alan  (very lucrative) as long as silt never goes anywhere else.
A problem is usually just an upside down opportunity for someone or somebody else.
Guess Govt are paying… poor old tax payer. But if solves a problem sensibly probably OK.  Always a loser and a winner but in this case more of us taxpayers to spread load, and enriching some undeservedly may be best solution.

When is the big bonfire to burn all that slash?  Maybe could use a few bonfires on orchards next year as opposed to helicopters  to combat frost? Would that work, or possibly not?
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Bonfires forbidden. Heaps of problems. You won't believe the stress these guys are going thru. One vineyard guy a couple of weeks ago - up in the hiunterland started to burn some crap from 3 ha of munted vineyard. Within an hr the Regional council was on his doorstep.
Vineyard netting used to get shipped off for re purpose. Now full of debris. Can't be shipped, and can't be burned. They are stymied at every turn. And nothing in recent budgets to help them with their land clearing. Most orchards etc around me stil as they were when the flood ripped thru. They are paralysed. No insurance for land.
Two suicides in my vicinity last week.
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Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:

Sounds like good business Alan  (very lucrative) as long as silt never goes anywhere else.
A problem is usually just an upside down opportunity for someone or somebody else.
Guess Govt are paying… poor old tax payer. But if solves a problem sensibly probably OK.  Always a loser and a winner but in this case more of us taxpayers to spread load, and enriching some undeservedly may be best solution.



Yes- completely perverse outcomes from events like this. One dump site is just below me. I can see it from the house. The land was flooded badly, smothered in silt. A low lying valley. Parts have yet to dry out. Hectares of greasy mud. Still. Like most landowners in the vicinity he was faced with a massive bill to restore the land, and had not moved on it. Now he gets silt dumped on top of his problem and his flood prone land becomes flood proofed (they are going right over top of the fences - meters high). And he gets paid for it - $1/CuM. Prob multi millionare at the end of it, and restored land. 
Now go half a km down the road - I posted a pic shortly after the flood, of a boat parked in the middle of a paddock in a sea of logs. Still there, as are the trashed orchards next door. That guy has lost his land and livelihood by the same event and likely to come out a pauper. He would be wondering why he didn't own a flood prone valley half a Km up the road. Totally different outcomes - random, same event.
Pays not to think about stuff sometimes. Imagine how the guy with the trashed orchards and lost boat is feeling.
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