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I would at some stage be interested in purchasing a dog for deer and gamebirds, any suggestions?
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Chesapeake
Simular to a lab only a bit bigger and really good on deer as well as been a top water/bird dog
 
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Hungarian Vizla,be good one deer,and they are funny as **** as a pet.Can be very testing to own though.A vizla would be fine for upland game but not so good in the cold wet environment but if you like ducks then as BP says a Lab/Chesapeake would be a good allrounder. 
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gone are the days when one just needed a hound and 303 or old o/u to kill a deer or phesent
people will tell ya you need a 7mil mag to shoot a deer , a bretta extreama to kill a duck and only a vizla or lab will find a deer or duck,

bullocks,, why pay 1000 bucks for a dog because someone put an add in a hunting mag, plenty of dogs out there will do what your after man.
i found mine dumped on the side of the road, fed him up got him up and running again he thinks im god .took him for a walk on a mates farm , got a deer ,
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 draged the skin all over the place , took him to get kiwi trained etc etc , got a bloody good deer dog now ,,and its a wippet x with a boarder colly
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Thanks guys, Brunty nothing wrong with a mutt either, I love the way they work as well, fearless. I Hunt for pigs as well and one of the dogs pulled down a Big Stag the other week, great show and the stag would of won I think in the end, if we didnt shoot him. If I was just hunting bigger game I would use him.

But Iam looking for a dog that would point , and find.   Birds and deer etc. I spooked a stag yesterday not ten feet in front of me, and bolted didnt get a shot, now if I had had a good dog maybe.....

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Labs are not great on deer, tend to whine to much IMO. I would get a Chesapeake if I was into deer as well as birds
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A guy is driving around the back woods of the Wairarapa and he sees a sign in front of a broken down shanty-style house: 'Talking Dog For Sale ' He rings the bell and the owner appears and tells him the dog is in the backyard.

The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there.

'You talk?' he asks.


'Yep,' the Lab replies.



After the guy recovers from the shock of hearing a dog talk, he says 'So, what's your story?'
The Lab looks up and says, 'Well, I discovered that I could talk when I was pretty young. I wanted to help the government, so I told the Secret Service. In no time at all they had me jetting from country to country, sitting in rooms with spies and world leaders, because no one figured a dog would be eavesdropping.'
'I was one of their most valuable spies for eight years running. But the jetting around really tired me out, and I knew I wasn't getting any younger so I decided to settle down. I signed up for a job at the airport to do some undercover security, wandering near suspicious characters and listening in. I uncovered some incredible dealings and was awarded a batch of medals.' 'I got married, had a mess of puppies, and now I'm just retired.'

The guy is amazed. He goes back in and asks the owner what he wants for the dog.


'Ten dollars,' the guy says..


'Ten dollars? This dog is amazing! Why on earth are you selling him so cheap?'

'Because he's a liar. He never did any of that ****.
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If you're not experienced in training dogs I'd stay clear of cheassies... great when they are on side, but a real handful if not.
 
For what you're wanting I think Vizsla's are about the best versatile breed we have left in NZ.
 
 
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We have 2 10 month old English pointers. Had decided on Vizsala's but after speaking to several breeders we decided against it (most breeders told us they are great dogs PROVIDING they are not left on their own for long periods as they just want to be with you) Pointers are a specialist pointing breed  not in HPR group of dogs.
 Try contacting this guy http://www.gundogtraining.co.nz I am sure he will be able to help with good advise.
you really need to decide what you want the dog to mainly do before deciding on a beed, If we were into duck shooting Pointers would struggle as they suffer the cold and are not natural retreviers. However I am more intrested in Upland game so better for this. Oh and they love the boat.
HPR and Pointing breeds are great dogs but may not make a good choice if its your first dog.
Our lot are proving a bit of a handful, 2 siblings at once may have been an error of judgement on our part.
 
 
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I managed to pick up a lab spaniel x a few years ago with the idea of having her for both deer and ducks.  While she's good on ducks and phesants she's not that flash on deer as she'd rather try and work an area than pick up scent. A friend of mine had her brother from the same litter and he has found the same thing.  Another friend of mine has an English pointer (about 5 yrs old now) that he purchased with the intention of using for ducks and deer.  He is absolutely useless when it comes to ducks as he's not that keen on the water on those cold winter mornings but in saying that he has been phenomenal with both pointing deer and finding wounded ones.  I hope this helps but it has probably confused the matter even more for ya. 
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Thanks everyone, all this is a great help to me. I love pointers and setters as I have really not taken on Ducks as such, upland game was my introduction to gun dogs,and as a young fella our family dog was an english X Irish *****, a wonderful dog with an even temperament. I would opt for another ***** I think, I dont want highly strung type dog, just a quite pointer, or even a setter? that can be a pal when hunting deer. Lots of training of course.
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Originally posted by Rat Catcher Rat Catcher wrote:

He is absolutely useless when it comes to ducks as he's not that keen on the water on those cold winter mornings but in saying that he has been phenomenal with both pointing deer and finding wounded ones.  I hope this helps but it has probably confused the matter even more for ya. 
My point exactly, you need to get a breed of dog best suited to what you hunt most of the time.
E.P's are not natural retreivers and won't like being couped up in a cold mai mai. Our lot hate the cold weather. Have to be forced to go outside to do wee wee when its cold and rainingLOL
I have seen E.Ps described online as a nose with all the extra bits only required to make the nose mobile. 
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For everything you've described you want one of the versatiles... the Vizsla is the easiest!
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Considered a Weimaraner ??
 
Beautiful dogs and work really hard.
Actually bred specifically for large game so definitely fits the deer side.
 
Not bad on the pheasants either, but struggle with ducks.
 
Just another option to consider.
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Vizsla's are awesome. As a non hunter, it cracks me up seeing the dog pointing at birds on the ground in our yard without any training etc. She bailed up a hedgehog last week... (non hunter okay!). They can be a handful (picture a Lab on 2 cans of V) and are certainly a velcro dog - need company but ours is left alone for 4-5 hours each day and she copes well. Just really overjoyed to see us when we come home. Certainly great with our kids and likes to exercise so good for us too...
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Clark,
I will be in contact..., I just want to be prepared to take on another Family member, its will happen.
I have made my mind up with Vizsla at this stage.
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First time I had heard it, so made me laughLOLLOL
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  Vizla cross lab all the good bit of the vizla with the lab in them mellows them down a tad a as pet aswell  
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