Proposed Changes To Employment Law

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Lets hope we don't go down the road of Germany. More companies there are bringing in 1 year contracts for their staff. So every year you will have to reappy for a role with the company. The companies treat this like a new positition so has the power to change the wages and conditions as it sees fit. If you don't like the new conditions you have no job, simple. Merkel? is trying to bring Germany closer to the China way of working and having the staff with no power and lower wages. We have quite a good labor law here, but as someone esle said we need to increase productivity for our wages to rise not forcing businesses to just pay more. Too many small business are going to the wall with the government only looking after the big guys. To get help from the government NZTE, etc you need to have a turnover of over 10 millon. Yet most of our businesses are SME's. For us all to have better conditions we need better direction from Wellington. Sadly only Shearer seems to understand the manufacturing sector and he's got a fat chance of creating a change.   
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In my trade a lot were real bad drinkers in the 70s and if you employed one of them you had a problem for sure.
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Originally posted by formtool formtool wrote:

For us all to have better conditions we need better direction from Wellington. Sadly only Shearer seems to understand the manufacturing sector and he's got a fat chance of creating a change.   


To be fair quite a lot of parties put their name to the recent investigation into manufacturing.
http://manufacturinginquiry.org.nz/report/
Unfortunately National didn't and don't seem to care about manufacturing so you won't be getting much help any time soon.  But did Labour really do much when they were in power?  They all promise everything when in opposition and deliver nothing when in power.
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Originally posted by formtool formtool wrote:

Lets hope we don't go down the road of Germany. More companies there are bringing in 1 year contracts for their staff. So every year you will have to reappy for a role with the company. The companies treat this like a new positition so has the power to change the wages and conditions as it sees fit. If you don't like the new conditions you have no job, simple. Merkel? is trying to bring Germany closer to the China way of working and having the staff with no power and lower wages. We have quite a good labor law here, but as someone esle said we need to increase productivity for our wages to rise not forcing businesses to just pay more. Too many small business are going to the wall with the government only looking after the big guys. To get help from the government NZTE, etc you need to have a turnover of over 10 millon. Yet most of our businesses are SME's. For us all to have better conditions we need better direction from Wellington. Sadly only Shearer seems to understand the manufacturing sector and he's got a fat chance of creating a change.   
 
Germany is responding to the threat of manufacturing being taken away from them to China. And in their usual pragmatic and efficient manner they work they are dealing with it as they see fit.  NZ could never match overall German manufacturing productivity anyway we are years behind them. I know a few and one compares NZ's working conditions to the stoneage, in a nice way.LOL 
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with manufacturing, unless we go back to the Muldoon days of tariffs and heavily protected boarders its doubtful that we will be broadly competitive in most areas.
Now on the surface, tariffs may sound good but it puts our overseas purchasing in the too expensive basket and unless we make it here, the overseas luxuries would be for only those with large wallets
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Without money coming in, in a big way. how can nz employers pay the correct wages overtime etc etc..so are forced to make cut backs and employ low waged workers. but when you know for a fact a company is making 22mil min a year on exports. then what is going on there? greed? high outputs? something's not right....
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Employment is supposed to be a fair agreement between the employer and employee unfortunately NZ iemployers are trying to have their cake and eat it as well.
Allowing the employer to suspend meal breaks at will is very backward step as it took a hundred and fifty years of industrial disharmony in the UK to get meal breaks legislated . NZ was the first in the world  in the 1890's to get meal breaks and the 8 hour day as a standard thing so the Government wants to turn the clock back to 1890 tomake NZ better? The only people to benefit are the big companies who are already making a big margin and want to make a bigger one.
Sweated labour will not benefit the economy as we do not have the economy of scale to make it work.
A lot of the country's GDP is produced by small businesses and while easing some things may make it easier for some it invaribly makes things harder overall as fair working conditions with fair pay allows people to enjoy a reasonable standard of living wich means they have time to shop /spend unfair /harsh conditons low pay less spending overall greater wealth gaps and lower performing economy.
Mexico is an example where a reasonably educated but low paid,low or no employment conditions has led to a severe breakdown in the social structure.
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unfortunatly most nz workers walked away from unions back in 1990 when the contracts act came in,i did as the union lost its balls and rolled over to presure now we have what we have today no employment,low wages and sh%t conditions,i will still get my breaks as a driver but pressure is on to just show break and keep working,already been to god squad who are now looking at my claim as another driver has spoken up.
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The law is the law, the truth is the truth. Having studied employment law for a bit now I just don't see how the ERA is in fact honoured in real life. As others have said - the thing to do with meal breaks and lunch breaks - I know so many people who are deprived of them but of course, along with many other complaints - the result is probably you get picked on at work or worse, dismissed. As workers who are new to the market, there just isn't any bargaining power on our part to be treated fairly. The market power drives the law, not the other way around I'm afraid. Of course, these are just my personal opinion. 
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