Tagit wrote:
Tzer - You can't use your own catches as representative of rec catches. You are a well equipped professional fisherman. Your competence level will be miles above the average rec guys. Like other charter operators here in Auckland I can go out and usually catch as many Snapper as I need. Most days here, most of the charter fleet will come back with as many fish as their clients want. Not always, but most days. Even right through Winter there have been far more trips with limit bags than trips that were hard. On the other hand I talk most seasons at some point with the guys doing the ramp inspections here. If I say the fishery is fine, they look at me and suggest I try talking to all the rec guys they meet coming in with next to no fish. So basically the 'real' rec view here is that our Snapper fishery is very poor. If you are a skilled professional however there are plenty of fish. Hence the comms saying that there are plenty because they know the fishery so well, but the real test is how those average rec anglers find things and for them it has massively deteriorated and all they get are undersized fish. |
Fishy11 wrote: "the rec guys down here do just as well as we do" "down here" exactly obviously the various points made previously by others are going straight over your head though - different areas, yet you assume it is like that elsewhere. |
Tzer wrote: With all the advances in technology, fishing gear, new fishing methods, fishing show, fishing seminars etc etc perhaps some rec guys need to have a look at themselves first and not look to blame commercial fishing activities just because they cant catch a feed. |
Tzer wrote: Sorry to say I disagree with you Dave, the rec guys down here do just as well as we do, many fish the same spots each time they're out as these spots tend to fish day in day out. I would suggest that social media would also disagree, just look at the many pages associated with fishing and you will find plenty of anecdotal evidence that ordinary guys doing very well. With all the advances in technology, fishing gear, new fishing methods, fishing show, fishing seminars etc etc perhaps some rec guys need to have a look at themselves first and not look to blame commercial fishing activities just because they cant catch a feed. |
Muppet wrote: The obvious thing is Gisborne is still a good Terakihi fishery whereas others are not. But Gizzie has depleted stocks of other catches too, Crayfish for example.... Dont know where you get the notion our crayfishery is depleted. We have a concession fishery by where the commercial take 52mm during the months of June - August and are then out of the water until mid Januray when they are allowed to fish again and most are only in the water for a matter of a few weeks to complete their quotas. Most importantly they are not in the water during the summer holiday season. With maybe a few exceptions I dont know of many that couldn't get their allowable 6 crays per day. Some may not like the concession but I commercially crayfished through the good times back in the mid 70's right up until the fishery collapsed and I can tell you we have a good fishery now. They cherry pick those days too as examples, very rare days those. Cherry pick our days, not quite sure what you mean here but I can assure you our recreational guys look to get out as much as they can even to the point that they fish some **** days. There wouldn't be many that dont catch a good feed of tarakihi or other species for that matter. pjc yes the recs have an effect BUT we do not affect the 90% of fish landed by comms that a rec hook goes nowhere near. Think Hoki, Orange Roughy, Southern Blue Whiting etc, etc surely there is enough money for them to earn there. I don't how many times we have had threads like this, don't ever doubt your need or right to take fish or simply enjoy the sport. Take away comms from our species we like to target the seas will be bursting with life again within 10 years and we just carry on as we are, funny they seem to want to try everything but the bloody obvious.
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Alan L wrote: I fished off Gissy end of last summer - charter boat. Tzer was loading up for a charter at same time. Crap day weather wise - charter had been postponed twice. Apart from being bounced from one side of the boat to other, we caught more terries than I have seen before. We had more than enough for the 6-8 of us fishing (some were puking). So I do think Tzers comments are correct. I was waiting for the time we pulled pick and headed home. But the skipper was obviously wanting to give every one a decent day's fishing. On average we probably had close to our limit (way more than I would normally take). All terries from memory, maybe the odd snapp. Regards Alan |
The hoki fishery is in trouble. LegaSea would make a bold call and say its because they have been fished down to levels of depletion, just like tarakihi and crayfish in CRA2. Other people say the hoki aren't turning up (from where?) or it maybe global warming. http://ow.ly/9aw230lZepU
Alan L wrote: Tzer - I nearly called out to you (you were busy)- never met you - other than on this forum. I didn't organise the charter - but have whanau up there. Maybe we can catch up some time. Went out with 'Scruffy?'. Regards Alan |
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