Scooter wrote: My own people have started training programs for our young people with some of that money,plus they've invested in a number of different areas including improvements on current farming operations that apparently we're to lazy to run without Pakeha help/interferance. In the resent past Iwi have had to put up with this lie about New Zealanders being a single people while "our culture" has been completely ignored and actively undermined. Today we simply have the situation where for the first time in our history as a country "everybody" are finally becoming recognised and it's no longer just about pakeha interests. So yes,,my own people are seeing some very real benefits to resent payouts. So,,,,how is it really making the life of your average white bigot any less comfortable than it's always been anyway ? I won't hold my breath waiting for an honest answer. |
I hear what you say and applaud your guys for doing it, but sorry you are by far in the minority, lets use Sealords as an example (they promised on video/TV even that the quota given to them would be used to employ Maori and enhance their prospects of their youth – yer right ) of wealth creation for Maori – not one cent has been given back to those who need it most. Most of the money that is given by current NZ tax payers by way of so called treaty claims is used by a few at the top who are getting richer by the day.
You are probably one of the few that are doing something useful and for that alone I applauded you.
As to bigoted whites – sorry mate I was born an breed here – as a 6th Generation NZ’er I regard this as my land, frankly I don’t give a stuff what your colour is AS long as you think you are a NZ’er first and foremost. The idiosyncrasy of post history must be forgotten. I nor ANY one I know caused this problem, I NOR any one I know should be paying for it – go sue the UK tax payer as they are responsible not us.
The treaty settlement industry – because that’s what it is with us tax payers paying for corporate lawyers to have a go at us NZ tax payers is an industry that must stop.
There were only 400 claims at the end of the original settlement and now we have had way over 3000 – most quite frankly are mythical and unfortunately that idiot in the role of Min of Treaty Settlements is one whose whole career has been making money from treaty settlements – doesn’t give a toss as he will go back to the gravy train when he has finished in parliament – and yes I know this guy, was for my sins years ago in Young Nats with him and many of the current Gvmt and man would I trust a single one of them – be buggered.
John the simple fact is the country only has so much money and that is going down like the titanic over the last 10 years, you want more – you want to place the whole of NZ in the grave yard, we are only now a fraction ahead of Fiji when it comes to wealth or do you want top move ahead and ensure you your children & all NZ’ers move ahead?
I know what my answer is…. But then I think I can use some hard learnt logic over it.
As an a side I think all IWI who have treaty settlements should have all there Members removed from the social welfare system because given the very low number of people who actually belong to the tribes they now have more money per head than the max allowed through the social welfare system. Have we done this – have we bugger, double dipping on a grand scale? Honest natives, well you learnt well from the British is all I can say!
If I ever get into parliament and that’s a maybe then I will put a complete stop to all this rubbish.
Think of this another way
The British made war right throughout the known world including UK – please tell me what rights/settlements that the Irish/Welsh (some what close to my own heart)/Scottish got?
The simple fact is that the British won a war in NZ and that’s that’s – the Maori of the day were far smarter than most other conquered countries and did a deal, that doesn’t mean that you have any rights, it means that the Maori lost.
Period.
There is One caveat – there were underhand things done after by the British after which should be righted – we have done that already all the rest quite frankly are like taniwha’s – completely fictitious but great for ripping off you fellow NZ’ers.
Moggy wrote: If I ever get into parliament and that’s a maybe then I will put a complete stop to all this rubbish. |
Uncle wrote:
Here's an idea Moggy>> When you do get to parliament & all the money's in IWI hands, set up a reverse treaty claim system for us "bigots". We could put in claims & get it all back Now wouldn't that be fun...... . |
Good idea but we don’t need to all we need to do is divide the money paid as settlement claims against the iwi numbers and all currently will be off welfare , country will save Millions....
Fact is most Iwi getting money have less than 100 member on there books – all interrelated.
One has to ask just who are we paying?
Phishpula wrote: Some of the opinions in this thread disgust me. As an import from England in 1984 and now a NZer I am proud we are world leaders in treating historical wrongs in an ethical manner and that that there is a finite time for this. Thus, I fully support the current govt and its policy finish treaty claims in the near future. Rant over |
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