Marligator wrote: The Croc - You have access to some very useful and up to date data which most people do not have access to, or at least without having to do a huge amount of digging and this got me wondering as to how you fitted into things. I now realise that you are a Fisheries Analyst in the MPI Recreational Fishing Team. This is not an attack on you just letting people have some context as to why you are saying what you are in this thread. |
Marligator wrote: The Croc given that we now know you work for MPI and you have a vast amount of data at your fingertips can you shed some light on the average weight of snapper caught in SNA1 over each of the last 15 years. I note also you have not made any comment about my earlier post regarding numbers of fish being removed per tonne with a diminishing average weight caught other than to say that the small ones are the preferred target size. Also interesting that the PSH gear can't legally be used in <50M of water. I have heard that with the PSH system there is still a high proportion of <250mm snapper being caught as the fish form a "school" in the net and the small fish do not want to leave the school and escape through the wholes even though they can. How does pulling them up from>50m water depth effect the survivability of these fish when they are returned to the water with respect to Barotrauma. Can you comment on this please as I am sure there was a lot of research went into this with all the public money that went into funding the research and development of these nets. I live in Papamoa where we have a major problem with trawlers coming in close to shore in the middle of the night when everybody is asleep, all of this netting activity happens way inside 50m of water so the PSH system can't be used. So I am interested in knowing for the BOP caught snapper is any of it being caught using PSH nets. |
the croc wrote: The fishery is going from strength to strength down here. |
Sanchez wrote:
I'm relatively new around this forum so I know I have to be mindful about what I say, and do do with respect but these comments are misleading croc. Perhaps something like recovering in some areas would be more appropriate. I've lived down In wellington twice in my life and its a wonderful coastline. However I've frequently free dived across reefs which should hold abundant shellfish and fish but are completely barren. I've scrubbed around in remote areas past Red Rocks and found a single legal paua . Poaching is a huge problem. Poaching for profit. They literally scrape the reefs of every living thing. I've had fisheries officers go over my stuff wearing stab vests because they are often physically threatened. I've always been helpful and polite but seem up against it and under resourced. Scuba poachers going in at night most likely. Regarding your fish lineup, that's a nice haul and I've had good days too. very good days. But folk are unlikely to throw a line in at Days bay and get a feed like you could 20 years ago. You need to go 1km out. In my opinion comments like 'the fishery is going from strength to strength' enable commercial interests to feel entitled to demand more and to a degree poachers who feel entitled to take more. |
cirrus wrote: On one hand we shut down the oil and gas industry worth multi billions,and in doing so guarantee the importation of more expensive gas from more progressive countries in the near future..... On the other hand we fish down and export Kahawai and Trevelly for a couple of bucks a kilo to bring in overseas funds.Well thats not going to cut the mustard when it comes to overseas funds. |
Sanchez wrote:
I'm relatively new around this forum so I know I have to be mindful about what I say, and do do with respect but these comments are misleading croc. Perhaps something like recovering in some areas would be more appropriate. I've lived down In wellington twice in my life and its a wonderful coastline. However I've frequently free dived across reefs which should hold abundant shellfish and fish but are completely barren. I've scrubbed around in remote areas past Red Rocks and found a single legal paua . Poaching is a huge problem. Poaching for profit. They literally scrape the reefs of every living thing. I've had fisheries officers go over my stuff wearing stab vests because they are often physically threatened. I've always been helpful and polite but seem up against it and under resourced. Scuba poachers going in at night most likely. Regarding your fish lineup, that's a nice haul and I've had good days too. very good days. But folk are unlikely to throw a line in at Days bay and get a feed like you could 20 years ago. You need to go 1km out. In my opinion comments like 'the fishery is going from strength to strength' enable commercial interests to feel entitled to demand more and to a degree poachers who feel entitled to take more. |
Marligator wrote: The Croc yes you now have the same access to data as us, but the fundamental difference is you know what data there is, where to find it, which is a huge advantage over us lesser mortals. Please don't get the ****s with this forum as you have a lot to offer in these types of threads and can provide some very good data. You may be correct the fishing down your way is improving, but I can tell you that in the BOP things are generally going backwards rapidly. Out from Papamoa there used to be a lot of boats fishing during the summer months within a couple of k's of shore, commonly 30-40 boats, over the last few summers there has been a marked decline in boats fishing this area with some flat calm days with virtually no boats in site of shore, this is a sure sign of a lack of fish. The Mount Maunganui Sport Fishing Club had their annual prize giving last night and the numbers of fish weighed were discussed compared to the previous season. For all the inshore species - snapper, Kahawai, Gurnard, Terakihi etc numbers were about 40% down across all species compared to the previous season. |
cirrus wrote: On one hand we shut down the oil and gas industry worth multi billions,and in doing so guarantee the importation of more expensive gas from more progressive countries in the near future. Already we are importing coal from indonesia to keep huntly going so auckland can have coal powered E.Vs. On the other hand we fish down and export Kahawai and Trevelly for a couple of bucks a kilo to bring in overseas funds.Well thats not going to cut the mustard when it comes to overseas funds. These fish ,if left alone could be the base of a multi billion tourist industry. Not only for small game fish that Kahawai ,and also kingfish are,but for people coming to see the workups,the marine mammals and host of sea birds that such a workup and spectacle can bring. Our policies are back to front, beyond belief. Or to quote George Orwell. "One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that.No ordinary man could be such a fool" |
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