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Hi,just wondering which of the above,you guys favour most for joining leader to solid ring.
Also Knot sleeve versus thimbles too?
Was thinking of of becoming a bit of a crimper!
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Thimble and Uni Knot for me.
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agreed thimble and uni for me with nylon up to 180lb
above that or when using fluro I generally crimp
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Thimble and Uni or crimp if I want a bite section when there's couta about.
 
 
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thimble and crimp for me.. almost coutta proof

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Thimble? Can so one explain? Only thimble I know is for sewing
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thimble and crimping for me from day one I think jiggers are becoming more aware of the fact that we need leader protection I think that even though I prefer to crimp as long as you are protecting the leader from the solid ring youll be swt.excuse the old rig she been idle for a whileCry
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I think that for most guys especially newbies, that thimble & crimp or thimble & knot are the most reliable and repeatable terminations.
 
Pony recommends the AG chain knot only for the hard fluorcarbon line, not for nylon.  Even then, the leader must have knot sleeve protection.   During my recent 3 Kings trip with Pony, the heaviest leader he used was ONLY 84lb flurocarbon!!  He used the red knot sleeve and Chain Knot and I never saw any breakages while he and his mates caught plenty of biggies too!  In fact the 84kg Bass on his iconic "Jigging in the Dayline" DVD was also caught using just 84lb FC!
 
The message to me is clear!  If you must use soft nylon mono, then use heavy leader & protect the leader with thimble or hard tubing.  The few reasons to use such heavy nylon is to preserve strenght at this critical knot or when jigging in tiger country.  If you want to use hard FC, then you can reduce leader strenght but use leader sleeve and tie the Chain Knot.  FC is well known for increased hits and now improved knot strenght.
 
You have to understand the huge pressures on the leader against the solid ring.  Soft nylon will stretch, deform and lose a lot of its strenght making it susceptible to breaking under pressure.  A harder FC leader just doesn't stretch! 
 
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Is that a double crimp there Tongan?Thats what i was thinking of doing.
A lot of good feedback here.Thanks
so crimping is good for mono and flouro Then?
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Great info there Chris!
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yeah mate double crimped adds a lot of protection ive had a shark knaw through one strand of the double but not both so I got my jig back also I just feel more comfortable strength wise with two crimps!!Yes crimp with both is fine and preferred by people who use fluoro as its hard totie up in a knot.
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Uni to swivel.
Swivel negates need for a thimble.
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I use the tubing / 2 x crimp method, although I had a failure on a GT at Bugatti where two crimps pulled and I lost a good fish and a Orion Bigfoot stickbait [ouch], it was on 150lb mono with no fattened end, so had to be the crimpers fault, me Embarrassed.
Tested my others to 22kg and had a swivel pull through a 150lb Momoi XL single strand loop Shocked, that is a lot of drag but plastic tubing on them all from now on.
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Originally posted by Nirai Nirai wrote:

Uni to swivel.
Swivel negates need for a thimble.
 
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Originally posted by Accident Prone Accident Prone wrote:

Originally posted by Nirai Nirai wrote:

Uni to swivel.
Swivel negates need for a thimble.
 
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Ditto.
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Originally posted by Nirai

Uni to swivel.
Swivel negates need for a thimble.

Does that apply with mono too? 4or 5 turn uni? I have some 100kg ball bearing swivels.That should do the job a?onto 150 pound mono leader.cheers
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Pretty much spoilt for choice Thumbs%20Up
a)uni knot to a swivel for mono and flouro?
b)knot sleeve/tubing and  Ag chain knot for flouro
c)Crimp and knot sleeve for both mono and flouro
d)thimble and uni Knot
e)Thimble and crimp  or  double crimp for mono and flouro
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Do you have any photos of the chain knot Chris just for my personal curiosity Embarrassed
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