kitno wrote: Funny how recs refuse to declare their catches and claim overall rec catches are an inaccurate guess until the given figures suit their argument. |
funandfunction wrote: Recreational/ Customary .............. 4 % Commercial ..................................96% So all these arguments about the recreational catch is an argument about the 4%. |
kitno wrote: Funny how recs refuse to declare their catches and claim overall rec catches are an inaccurate guess until the given figures suit their argument. |
You need to do a trip start and trip end report.
There are also 5 different fishing event reports that must be recorded, completed, and provided to FishServe separately.
Monthly harvest returns must be provided electronically.
Muppet wrote: ... Australia looks better every day. And I have never thought that until lately. |
Fish Addict wrote:
Wash your mouth out Muppet Funnily enough I was going to post a similar comment a few days ago but thought better of it thinking the reaction may not be worth it. Unfortunately there is currently a lot happening in NZ that I don't agree or approve of. Jacinda maybe the empathy queen but Scmo leaves her for dead as a PM imo. Despite living in WA for some 41 years I only became an Australian citizen two weeks ago. I'd like to think I have two homes. Whilst I'm very proud of my Kiwi heritage I'm also very happy to be living in Perth and watching what's going on over there from a distance thank you very much.
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MATTOO wrote: Tzer, You are right in that all parties have an input in the resulting decline and do share responsibility for decline, descimation. But also responsibility for appropriate commitments to regeneration and future sustainability. Judging by some of the comments following its clear recreational still refuse to accept where the HG is concerned that they play as greater part in the demise of fish stcoks in the HG as do commercial. Oh please Jacinda chuck those filthy commercial pricks out but please leave to go about our business unchecked. But there are some clear unequal differences. Recreational have assumed an excepted right to harvest a food source for many years based on there doorstep. They have had to reduce there catch numbers and improve there techniques in harvesting which is from my early years dramatically improved with still more growth in that area to happen. It has been exasperated by population growth. Is it population growth that is exasperating the problems with the HG, no it isnt if you listen to some of the propaganda being touted by advocacy groups but we all know it is. You cant have growth in our biggest city and not expect enviromental ramifications, its not all just about how many fish are being caught. Customary, to many holes in that, so I won't comment. Have to agree, no one wants to go down this path for fear of being labeled racist but in my opinion (Im not against customary) it is heavily abused. Commercial though I do have an opinion. I think we need a good commercial fleet. There practices in the main are well below par. Perhaps in the past yes but is some took the time talk or follow commercial social media you would find that they are making great strides to improve they way they catch and look after fish. And without doubt to have a business venture where your resource is free, and it is definitely free. The resource isnt free in the sense of being free, I think you will find that there are hefty levies they pay to have access to this resource and you pay regardless of whether you have caught you quota or not. Added to that who do you think pays for a lot of the fishery research that is carried out which also bebefits the recreational sector, certainly not the recreationals thats for sure. Enables any business to make large profits. And costs for accessing this product for harvest are well skewed in there profit bottom line. You only have to compare a farmer on the land and there production costs to those who gather a resource not owned, managed or built. So I believe if the commercial fleet had the same commercial responsibilities and requirements they would be better custodians of there free resource. Again the misconception is commercial dont have responibilties or arent being good custodians, they themsleves want a helathy fishery so why would they jepaordise that by being irresponsible. It is that free resource that has allowed them to have a mind sight of rape and pillage. And rape and pillage they have. The days of rape & pillage have gone and qoutas have seen to that, while yes there is an arguement that some quotas are set too high. If they are to high thats not the commercials fault but rather the scientists. Government management has been manipulated by money, greed and politics. Yes/No/Debateable many see that theres a conspiracy going on here, we will never know. With multi generation abuse it has become an acceptable practice and this is for every commercial fleet in the world.. While that could be true of overseas, I would like to think New Zealand is a little less corrupt.Tzer, you fit into a different part of this commercial sector which are a small,part of our exemplary fleet. I want to make that clear as your fishing commercially should be well respected by all. Not fishing any more Matt but thanks, much of what I comment on comes from what I have seen on a daily basis as well as being in touch with the commercial sector regularly and not from something written on a piece of paper. |
I will irriterate again the big players in any changes for the HG will be Iwi
& the likes of Greenpeace, Forrest & Bird along any other environmentalist
group that thinks they know what’s best and to me it is these groups that recreational should fear the most not the commercial sector. Hell when the crunch comes you might just need them but the constant attacks recreational give them I would be surprised if you find yourselves all alone at the table that is if your even invited.
deacs wrote: Tzer, You are right with who we need to fear for sure they will do more damage for our recreational rights than commercial, just look at this proposed plan. One thing I find difficult to get my head around is just how big an area they classify the HG to be. Surely the HG shoukld be from Cape Colville to Cape Rodney and not all the way around to off Whanagmata. SNA1 is just to large and area and should be divided into 3 areas. Can you see in these changes where any commercial operations will be majorly effected? Looking at the map fig 4 pg 29 it looks like commercial are already liimited in where they can fish. But the plan doesnt outline just where these trawl corridors are so in terms of the impact its hard to say. Have to say though to me Mattoo is right commercial still have a long way to go improve the way they fish, (not necessarily there fault as they fish to the rules created) I think the new proposed no dumping rule will quicken this process dramatically and they will soon be using ways to capture the right fish of the right size with little wastage? So would cameras on boats that they have been putting off for years. Know doubt cameras will play a part but cameras arent the be all and end all. It does beg the question though that if commercial have to have land all policy why should recreational, you cant tell me all fish released by recreational survive. Yes while one sector does it in great volume non the less the fact remains both sides are wasting the resource. Generally if you provide the funding for research you get the results/conclusions you want..... Otherwise those people would be out of a job/funding cut If that is the case why then havent adocacy groups sort to fund their own reaserch to dispell fears that commercial have provided funding for research that finds the outcome in their favour. Again I think to many think that there is a conspriracy going on between commercial/MPI verses recreational. Let's be fair are recs ever really invited to the table? Given a lot of the anti commercial sentiment directed by recreationals towards commercial by advocacy groups & recreationals themsleves, if you were a commercial fisher would you want to invite haters to the table. Problem is here in NZ we have to many advocacy groups who say they represent recreational and all have differing views to the point they cannot agree with each other. So from a MPI veiw point just who do you invite to the table to represent recreational and while I have issues with the way Legasea conducts themselves compared to the rest of these advocacy groups they are by far the best to represent recreational but a serious mind set needs changing. |
Muppet wrote: Again said many times putting your money where your mouth is with a recreational license like the freshwater guys is the only way forward for recs. |
Hook-it wrote:
Born in New Zealand, no to that The taxes I have paid cover my life time fishing. Plus all the tax associated with my sport I have paid my fair share. If immigrated to New Zealand then yes. |
Hook-it wrote:
Born in New Zealand, no to that The taxes I have paid cover my life time fishing. Plus all the tax associated with my sport I have paid my fair share. If immigrated to New Zealand then yes. |
Hook-it wrote: Charter market, high end fishing comp'salso. What has happened over the years with most reserves created it pushes fishers into other areas, this in turn depletes that area very quickly so to speak. We all know one of the biggest problem's, NZ'S FAST GROWING POPULATION. Some of the problem could be handled, (ouch), with again dropping the daily catch of fishers to three Snaps that is enough for a feed. Leave all other species at the same level . No Cray's/Scollop's for two/three years for 'any' person/ group or what ever at all for that period. If stopping the small amount of Rec dredging, then Stop all com, dredging . No Nets/ trawling also No long lines. Read an article on whitebaiting controls recently. What, nothing has changed. That is also simple. One month only. reduce set net size, no wings to be more that 1m long and no selling of bait to any person/company ect. Or make baiting Bi Annual, would give the little chaps a better go , called sustainability. My call on the job anyway . |
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