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And when the head over Toyota has been making warnings for some time ??

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Originally posted by Derek F Derek F wrote:

Anyone know how safe lithium batteries are supposed to be in an accident? 
Dont like the thought of being trapped with them.  
https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/tesla-spring-crash-fire/285-c28a4993-5b5f-43f4-a924-e39638390647

relight itself 22hrs later
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About 30% renewables, right now.

The 60/40 Split

Right now, 60% of our energy supply comes from oil, gas and coal. Renewable energy sources supply 40% of our energy needs.

This is one of the the highest proportions of renewable energy in the world.

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Good stuff there guys.
It's a start.

Points to consider and some eluded to already.

Why is Mr musk financially exiting production of cars and pursuing his battery company with much more vigour.

There is no commercial/government renewable energy company in the world that doesn't either supplement or provide equal energy capacity without using intergrated plants that an generate the same kw output.
And those platforms are gas, coal, diesel etc.
The reason why is of course obvious.

The reference above for nz is a bit misleading as it is only for the percentage of the market that is not hydro.

There are companies in nz that will and do refurbish complete batter systems for vehicles.

Esides fuel the amount of refined petroleum products are crucial for the production of any vehicle.
Paint, tyres, cables, interiors the list when you reflect on it is vast.

Within mining for rare earth minerals consider one of the dirties and amazingly becoming much harder to source. Copper.
Can't make an ev without copper wire for windings or cabling.

This country like most cant afford to relay or increase the capacity of in ground or overhead cables to facilitate energy supply to every home let alone a few gas stations.

Lots to consider as points to analyse and these are just a few of the obvious.
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If u get the Genesis (Power company) app, you get access to the data in historic and real time Fishb8 put up...

Please guys buy the EVs.... we will be in the market for couple 2nd hand EV batteries to drop behind our solar panels.
We ave over a yr close to 50% cut in our power bill without batteries.
A used battey would put us off the grid unless had around 3 days, mid winter short days and they where very cloudy.. like today.
So roll out the EVs...2 batteries would put us off the grid... and last the rest of my life time... till at least 90.
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Steps - I think you are a bit optimistic there on the battery front. You are using batteries that won't power the car and expect them to function for approx 12 hr cycles to power your house. And the charging system will be specific to those batteries. Extra hardware needed. Dedicated solar batteries from new have a life of about 10-15 yrs.
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Originally posted by Fishb8 Fishb8 wrote:

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The real question is which colour goes up if you suddenly plugged in say 500,000 EVs tonight.
As the Taranaki man pointed out it sure as hell won’t be the ones the greens want.
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Remember when all those jap import ****boxes we’re everywhere in the 90s? That is what we are going to have again, except this time every one of them will be a leaf.

There are numerous issues with electric vehicles but there is a very specific one with the leaf.

It has an air cooled battery which is why it degrades so quickly. That is why every ad for a leaf leads with the battery condition.  Despite this I’m sure more than a few people will take advantage of getting a very cheap imported leaf with the new rebate and then abandon it a few years later when it becomes valueless. 
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It would not be such an issue if the suppliers were made to take back the dead batteries.
They are pocketing the export $s and at the same time exporting an environmental issue.
That is apart from the power gen issue - which is a biggie for NZ to tackle.
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As the coal and gas (both co-gen & gas) are base load, then hydro would increase generation. Of course, at peak load this could change.
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The govt has ruled out exemptions for non-private buyers of utes, saying it would be too hard to administer. Yet again this govt shows its disdain for rural NZ.
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And it will be subsidised by hard-working rural NZ farmers and contractors, yet again.
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Govt needs to let people choose what car they drive. This is not about being green ,carbon friendly. Its about impressing the U.N, ,the world economic forum etc. After all some of our politicians have the biggest carbon footprints in the country.
If a person can afford it.,let them buy a EV. No need to offer subsidy.Freedom of choice should prevail. But many ,many in this country cannot afford one. They are struggling to pay rent,earn a wage , get over the economic effect of multiple lockdowns. Its the farmers ,tradies ,low to middle income workers who will be penalised, and pay the elitist subsidy. 
Petrol cars ,new or second hand will become more expensive.
Many will not afford to upgrade from older ,low safety rated  ,high emmision vehicles. Economics will force them to keep the older cars on the road.  
That will mean more fumes,less safety.That is not a win for anyone.
 But, EVs have alot of positives in cities. The less cars belching particulate emissions the better. EVs are quieter. Thats a plus. Noise and pollution take a toll on health.
 However is N.Z ready for large scale introduction of E.Vs.?
Apparantly they use electricity. Who would have thought.! Where will all the extra electricity come from. Cook strait cable running at capacity, so no more from there.
So instead we import coal from Indonesia ,truck it out to huntly and turn it into electricity so Auckland can have coal fired EVs. So green.!
And in Indonesia,first they strip the teak and other hardwoods. Then get into the coal. It is then moved to a port ,loaded onto a bulk carrier and off to N.Z. A journey that can take around 15 days depending on speed..A standard size bulk carrier uses approx 200 ton of bunker fuel a day. A journey of over 5000 N.M. 
Hmm. Thats alot of carbon to even get it here.And if it returns in ballast for another load,even more.
Just somehow this dosent seem very green. Dosent seem to add up.
 


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if we actually cared about tailpipe emissions part of the deal would relate to how much you drive.  Obviously a thumping big v8 in a car used a few times a year for a weekend blast I has less emissions than a more modest vehicle used every single day.
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Sharp increase in fuel prices today south ak.up 20 to 30 cents.
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Pcj, not to mention the embodied carbon in the manufacture of that 'green' e-bike. Most likely from China where roughly 75% energy is 'dirty' and closer to 100% dirty in manufacturing cities. Even the battery in that e-bike harmed the environment to produce and who knows how much harm once it's dead and buried.

Cirrus, if that wasn't bad enough it actually gets worse because the govt has given years of car safety ratings and initiatives the middle finger along with rural NZ and trades. All these years we've been told a 4-5 star safety rating is the ducks nuts and now the govt is happy to encourage the import of 3 star EVs with this greenwash steamroller they want to drive through our lives.

You are so right. It doesn't add up. The govt hasn't been transparent about the science and facts and modelling behind all these flawed decisions and that only means they are worried the data wont stand up to scrutiny. What this govt is doing is one of the most egregious attacks on a correctly-functioning democracy I've seen in a while. They know they can't build a mandate for this because the reasoning is flawed, so they go with a dictate akin to the CCP in China.

Whippersnappyr, not content with making rural NZ and tradies pay for urban virtue signalling or cost cutting (and who could blame anyone for taking the EV rebate when they can see this govt is stacking the deck against anything else), they'll also radically increase the petrol taxes and road user charges on diesel, so those who have no credible alternative to ICE utes will be paying, yet again, to subsidise this greenwash steamroller.

It also makes a mockery of the govts recent excuse why they won't exempt business/commercial buyers of utes. Jacinda claimed it was because of the administration difficulties. Funny how farmers can claim back the fuel tax on the petrol they buy for on-farm use, yet this govt expects us to believe it's too difficult to allow commercial ute buyers to do the same with the greenwash fee on a new ute. Hypocrites. Do they really think so poorly of Kiwis that they think they can get away with such double standards and BS excuses as if we are too stupid to notice?

The govt better front with the data and modelling and show the concepts of transparency and democracy more respect or they won't make it passed the next election.



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Yes buy the EV, enjoy the freedom of extra costs for short while, maybe a year or two. When heaps are on the road, things will change. Tax to maintain roads has to be collected.

 When plenty have been sucked in, this 'socialist Como Govt' will nail them with RUC. Has already happened overseas, the EV users did not see it coming.

One thing though, you might get an apology in a few years time from Prime Minister, for more TAX TO PAY.Clap
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Imagine if this govt had released these policies in election year. They didn't because they know what would happen. This time around, they could have governed without horse-trading with the greens so Labour will have to wear these policies like a noose around their neck at the next election without blaming it on the Green party.
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