How much will it cost to flush our ob motors??

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Having endured a protracted ban on hose, water blasters etc.
Watercare has quietly announced our water rates are about to rise.

The initial rise of 7 % is scheduled to be implemented next month then
each following July will rise a further 9 - 5 %

If like me you consider that outrageous then what do think of the fact 
every July each year following a continuation 9- 5% rise will be imposed up until 2029.

Can someone with a better mathematical mind than me please work out the compounded overall % increase that will total.

How will this affect cleaning our boats & gear as well as motor flushing let alone watering a veg garden ??????????

Something not quite right & is this all we get from paying the staff, particularly the executives outlandish salaries ????  
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Time to fit a water tank and start catching your rainwater.  Use that to flush and clean the boat, car and water the garden.
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Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Time to fit a water tank and start catching your rainwater.  Use that to flush and clean the boat, car and water the garden.

Yup recently done that - can recommend a cheapie pump from Bunnings: https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ozito-800w-constant-pressure-pump_p4819827

 
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Originally posted by Dagwood Dagwood wrote:

Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Time to fit a water tank and start catching your rainwater.  Use that to flush and clean the boat, car and water the garden.

Yup recently done that - can recommend a cheapie pump from Bunnings: https://www.bunnings.co.nz/ozito-800w-constant-pressure-pump_p4819827
 

Likewise, also fitted water tanks gave me something to do over lockdown.

I'd have a go at the maths for you Bazza but this site has just done my head in trying to login again.

I got the slimline tanks but did not use there connections and instead used gate valves to link or isolated one tank.  This way i can make sure her-in-doors doesn't use all the water for the garden.

That pump Dagwoods shown,  mate next door got one and works well.
I went for one with a but more flow from Pumps are us in Albany but got the in-line filter from Bunnings.

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yes just installed a food grade 200 litre drum off chook house to store and give chooks 24/7 water via wee cups that come off bottom of tank. In Aussie dividing fences made from interlocking free standing slim tanks are the go. Also bladders custom built around the house piles so hidden and using unused space. When empty they lie flat and just inflate with water when filling. At a glance you can check if full or not. 
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a couple of 1000L IBC's, think can get em $80@


But yeah y'all Aucks guys should look at a water tank of sorts...

lol shortages & yet water rates going up wtf!!

if you get a Tank, look into adding a califont....


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Your water rates cover cost for water in and and water out - grey water. So has your water tanks lowered your water rates by much.
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if over 65 go for a rates rebate.could save you up to 600.dollars off your rates yearly. where i am living we get only our recycle pickup for our rate charges. we are on water tank,best way to go.we have a large drain over the road that takes the main water away from the properties in the area due to heavy rain and i have to battle city hall to get it cleaned out .we get f-all for the amount of money we pay in rates.all goes to inner areas of the city.
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Nice to know there is very little inflation going on ......

Ditto on the watertank Bazza. Fitted ours last year. One 1000 litre tank seems to suffice as 3/4 of our roof is plumbed to the tank so it recovers very quickly if any rain.
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Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

Your water rates cover cost for water in and and water out - grey water. So has your water tanks lowered your water rates by much.

Grey water is charged as a percentage of water in, not accurate outflow measurements.
Unless the tank water is used for the toilet, washing machine, dishwasher et al in may make very difference to costs.
However, if a keen gardener and fisho, a saving would be noticed.
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No change to our water bill except it doesn't have spikes when i fish a lot.
Misses made the comment she could see what months we did a lot of fishing with the spike in the water bill so we must be saving.

So between the garden, the boat and topping up the spa i would like to think we are saving.


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Sorry to burst your bubble mate but your spa is a loss
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Time to fit a water tank and start catching your rainwater.  Use that to flush and clean the boat, car and water the garden.

 Yep couple IBC water grade a few months back.. even thu not on the Auckland Metropolitan supply so no restrictions here. Wink
We are town supply bore with high mineral which is a pain when washing cars , boats , house windows etc... And being lime, effects jugs, hot water systems shower walls etc.

Total cost for couple tanks, piping , a household pressure pump, down pipe and spouting fittings came to around $750.
The 3 major costs the alcythene pipe fittings and the pump ( latter $230) Tanks 2 X $100 each.

Tanks must be 1m off the boundary and if wish to connect to house..laundry, toilets you need resource consents and permits..And a water meter, non return valves and estimate well over Another $2.5k for resource, permits and stuff.

Which in a water shortage, that for all intents and purposes looks like going to be permanent if add up climate change, lower rainfall, expansion of population, poor and lack of infrastructure,
 To add such costs that then take it up (guesstimate) around $1500/200 doesnt make any sence

To wash the car/ute takes around $75 to 100L
Wash boat and rinse motor in 1/2 200L that is already 1/2 full around 170 to 200L

We wash cars, boat, gardens, water blast house , clean windows, paths etc and general wash stuff (smoker racks, filleting benches etc with the garden hose.
Note here, the pump gives far better pressure than town supply, Big plus espec washing boat and trailer.
Also top up spa pool and swimming pool.

So far in the last 3 or 4 months (rainy season not) had to fill up 1 tank from swimming pool (which is mostly rain water now, plus 25ml Cl per 1000L) to keep up with usage.

Big warning thu...
You see ibc tanks stacked... thats ok but do not open valves so top thank and bottom tank are joined AND both tanks full. The head height (NOT weight) of water causes the bottom tank to seriously swell.. sides out and top rise enough to shut off the air breather in the bottom tank lid, against the bottom of the top tank.
For now, I manually fill the bottom tank once a week or so.

So crunch numbers.. bit like putting in solar (which we also have recently done)
Details here
https://wslpwstoreprd.blob.core.windows.net/kentico-media-libraries-prod/watercarepublicweb/media/watercare-media-library/fees-charges/domestic_waterww_other-charges_2021-2022.pdf

Domestic from july,
 Fixed charge of $247/yr
 Water:  $1.706, including GST/ 1000L
Wastewater $2.966/1000L  78.5% of usage.

So if I have this right..
78.5% of 1000L is 785L @ $2.966/1000L .
(785X 2.966 ) /1000= $2.331/1000L of water measured on water meter.
$2.331 + $1.706 = $3.047 per 1000L thru the meter.
 This makes , off top of the head about 250 tank fulls to recover capital cost... roughly 4 or 5yrs

Guesstimate here.. A washing machine uses arounds 120L per wash.. 4 washes per week 500L
 Toilets 9L (?) 50 flush per week (?) 750L
Thats about 1250 /week   About $50 month.
 $750+ resource consent , permits plumber to sign off etc, Say $4K plus total
About 80+ months,  7yrs..

 please check the figures numbers etc.

So is it worth it?
Well considering infrastructure, growth issues, are you confident of continued constant supply? 25ml / 1000L of around 20% chlorine (swimming pool grade) and cant taste at this level you have drinking water if needed.

We have issues arising with small toilet fills, washing machines, dishwashers resulting in less 'flush' watre going down waste drains... rsult far higher chance of blockages.
We have so called flushable things flushed.
 A very slack monitoring and enforcement of fats being flushed.
 So save on water, less flushing of wastewater systems, increase in blockages , espec of systems in need of infrastructure maintenance and upgrades.

Bit of rock and hard place here.. if connect to laundries, toilets, maybe hot water systems, one can use far more water to flush your waster water systems ???

You will not find a lot of the stuff openly published by government or councils...talk to plumbers, some council ppl in the know, the odd media background reports on council/ government papers and presto.
Not everything, again is fully transparent, thu its not hidden either.

Why did we make the call for tanks?
Main one was clean, non mineral water for cars, windows etc.. dont have to dry off to stop water spots etc..
 'Work hard at being lazy'
Also have independent supply, in the back yard, just in case things , supply turns to custard. peace of mind

And very similar reasons why put solar on the roof (14 panels) .. cant afford batteries, another $14K. Solar supply during sunlight, doesnt work  if power cut. Hence kept the gas hob, and water heating)
Bill is about 1/3 $ in summer, around $ 1/2 in winter..

Anyway hope this is of some help for those seriously going a little  'independent'




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No doubt Watercare even right now will be spending millions in consultancy fees in order to establish if Aucklands' demand for water is going to increase.

Anyone with an ounce of commonsense would only need to open their eyes to see the enormous amount of building in progress, near impossible to find anywhere it not happening, plus what is in the pipeline or pending waiting to start asap.

It is happening everywhere here in Albany, cranes constructing high rise apartments with very limited parking or none at all ... what does that mean for our already overloaded traffic nightmare when every two apartments built add at least one more car on our roads.
 
As for water reticulation ... no matter how small they are each new apartment will no doubt come with a toilet, washing machine, dish washer, wash basins & shower.

Collectively how much demand is all this going to generate not to mention for the antiquated drainage systems ????

EG less than 100 mtrs from our home there are a cluster of perfectly sound Massey University buildings ie those on the western side of Lucas Creek have been sold to a Chinese consortium with the intention of demolishing them & building multi level apartment.
At the initial meeting to appease residents two or three levels were proposed & had been approved. rumor that has no reason to be doubted has it that amended plans have been submitted for approval for five level apartments totaling 1500 units with no provision for parking, which we are told is not a requirement.

Sheer madness, but the council who could halt or slow down such mindless development seemingly are only interested in the increase in rates being generated.
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And Baz.. there you nail it.. and its not the councils.. its governments, including this one who have absolutely no long term program for the growth of our population.
 We have population growth 'requird' to maintain current econmic projections.. land use etc...where all this should be based back to.. not result of..

Interesting article a short while back
https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/110556/david-hargreaves-doubts-any-nz-government-will-resolve-vexed-migration-issue-till-it.

Here we are (Auckland) have storage well below 'normal', limited river supply due to lower and predicted long term rain fall... Yet currently have a rather relaxed official attitude to current restrictions.. in spite of the above.
Then have central government, even pre covid, with no long term population growth policies, continue to grow population by immigration, more houses... And put those houses in geographical areas of current shortage and long term shortage exists.

The 'maths' just doesnt add up here..

We need a long term population policy.. be it growth, maintain or decrease.. THEN establish  social, economic and monetary  policy about it.
We cant even have a government that should not be at continuous logger heads with RBNZ, even thu they appointed the Governor..
Just on that amertash state of affairs alone.. should we worry? hell yeah.. then throw in all the other BS.. child poverty health, education, energy, conservation (just swapping around 'chessmen' to make ppl think stuff is being achieved.. till its not.
Now start to be seriously concerned.
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Steps - you could put in a water softener for the hard water also. They work great. Have been using them for well over a decade (have 3) . Cheap to run after install cost. Rain water out of hard water basically.
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Yes Auckland is an expensive place to live now and is going to get a whole lot more.

To many people now and they have zoned residential area’s up the back of Silverdale to build another 45000 houses, where’s the water coming from for them.
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The amount of building around where I live is mad. They don’t have to provide for off street parking, so cars are parked on the street and verge. Two houses get removed, 29 are built in its place. Do the math on increased water usage. Why are water tanks not a requirement in new builds? No way schools are going to cope with the numbers of kids. It’s all so very obvious.
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Steps - you could put in a water softener for the hard water also. They work great.

 We have a filter and cabcon filter.. these do not remove dissolved ions like Cl Mg Ca etc.
Looked at softeners, seems the de ioniser was the best.. but damn the cost is huge.
The tanks enable continuous supply to one that s under stress in more ways than 1 short and long term... and the spots after washing boats cars windows.... and still way way cheaper.

Yes Auckland is an expensive place to live now and is going to get a whole lot more.

 No it is not expensive to live.. it is expensive to buy here thu.
Check out Auckland rates, water charges power etc against councils around the rest of NZ... last time I did got rather quite a surprise.
The perception that its expensive is one made by jafas without actually checking it out.
Even when we add on the proposed extra increase in rates and water etc..still works out significantly cheaper.... we have more ppl to spread the costs around.
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