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I came across this today and its scarily true

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This is all exactly what I've been saying for months but I get called a crazy conspiracy theorist haha
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!st hits me straight off.
Simple ever since Nixon.. known for his coruption.. removed state health care in the US.. and all the other countries that dont have state health..
I would prefer a state system based on world example every day.. Even thu we knock them here Canada , Britain etc.
Think a life time of house mortgage a issue.. add an even bigger health bill on that.. even to have a child.. or choose to die instead..

 Poverty... well that works both ways... business suppresses expenses.. historically business would ho slaves again if was legal

 Debt.. yep left wing spends up on  bureaucracy rather than the problem thinking throws money at it solves the problem

Gun Control.. that happens both sides of the house.. just got to look at right wing crushers historical gun stuff during the previous 2 gun control revisions..
 This is historically near either way.. itsd just in recent decades the US influence around the world changed direction since the 70s.

 Welfare.. Governments right from 1st inception.. started from a gruop of citizens pooling money to build a  school, pay a teacher.. same with other basics like a doctor ..
The issue is not being Government , it is professional politicians handing ot bribes to maintain salaries.

Remove religion from government... well that was done a few centuries ago when state and government where separated in Westminster law.  Well before the modern concept of left/ right...still very much a fudal system.

Class system.. thats basic tactic  "divide and conquer" be it muldoon, Hitler trump id Armin, Saddam, Czars, Caesars  .. be it race, culture, ethnicity, political standing or income... regardless of political leaning.
funny they are  near all right wing... call the kettle black

All I see above is a un substantiated , populist statements  designed .. well in modern terms  "False news" BS that is also refereed today as trumpisums.

Not only that near  all stuff Trump.. right wing ...has been doing by calling it another name.
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Gun ownership in modern NZ has never been about defending yourself from the government. There is no legal basis, there is no equivalent of the 2nd amendment. What a load of American crap.

As for healthcare, New Zealanders are in control of their own dentistry, how is that working out for everybody?
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Yeah reading that list made me feel like a beer, a singlet and I felt the stains on my shirt front growing . I felt all but two of my teeth loosening. Haha

Norway one of the most taxed societies on earth is voted one of the happiest...that goes against the theme.
Basically there is no silver bullet everyone’s wants and needs are different. You can’t make a system that everyone is happy about all systems are open for abuse and corruption. 
Seems the best system is a blend of Socialism, capitalism, communism, democracy, dictatorship...just need the that blend to benefit the most.

End of the day treat people how you want to be treated, be tolerant to other opinions and beliefs, look after the environment 
The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb
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Its quite alarming reading motorway signs today - Mandatory Masks on Public Transport, the news saying Police patrolling buses and trains to make sure people are complying....Level 2.5.....masks are good, Jacinda in a mask in Auckland for a quick photo op. The red flags are flying.
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Not sure what the problem with socialism is. Where has rampant capitalism got us? It is all very confusing (said Merv) The so called right wing party in NZ politics have an alarming reliance on an extreme Communist country. Their herd immunity market driven economy led suggestions to handling this health crisis would have seen us in deep dark blue trouble. I am glad we have a Coalition in charge (for the moment) The thought of any other alternative at the moment terrifies me.
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It takes just 15 seconds to find that the OP's post is fake and that the comments attributed to Saul Alinsky were never said or written by him.  The false claims are at least 6 years old.


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Whats the problem with Socialism?
A majority of people who want it in this country are not the people who are going to trouble of getting a decent education, taking on huge dept and risking everything, starting a business from nothing and working ya arse off 7 days  a week to get ahead..... Sorry. If you want something in life... you bloody earn it.
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Amen.

Originally posted by Schampy Schampy wrote:

Whats the problem with Socialism?[DIV]A majority of people who want it in this country are not the people who are going to trouble of getting a decent education, taking on huge dept and risking everything, starting a business from nothing and working ya arse off 7 days  a week to get ahead..... Sorry. If you want something in life... you bloody earn it.[/DIV]
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It is quite funny how they always quote Norway now lol. Sweden was the nordic poster child until they did Covid their way.

Regarding tax by the time you pay your income tax and then GST on your purchases. And then tax on your bills, savings etc it is most likely 50% of your income in line with the much vaunted Nordic system.

And it is still not enough for the bottom feeders who want you to work for them, amazing.
And of course the rich will still be rich but good for them I say.
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It's a bit long, but reinforces what many probably understand about the absurdity of wearing any old piece of rag around your face. Note Dr Ashley earlier in the year, compared to politician Ashley now...


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We see enough of this divisive **** on Facebook. Let's keep this fishing/boating forum to just that.
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Originally posted by Boyo Boyo wrote:

We see enough of this divisive **** on Facebook. Let's keep this fishing/boating forum to just that.
 
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Thought this part of the forum was to discuss non fishing political things?
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Sorry, I should have looked more closely at the Forum section I was in and the original post. My bad.

Maybe i'll try put the mask piece it into a boating context:-

If power meets power, when meeting head on, powerboats must turn to starboard - unless the Government goes changes it's mind and tells you it's okay to do it differently. In fact, you can come up with your own approach at home and see how that works out.


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Totally agree Steps. My take is that only the super rich have anything to fear from socialism, and that's not a bad thing. Those statements could equally apply to a fascist government too.
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Originally posted by taurangatroutmaster taurangatroutmaster wrote:

Thought this part of the forum was to discuss non fishing political things?

Yep you're discussing a post that is fake
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Originally posted by Boyo Boyo wrote:

We see enough of this divisive **** on Facebook. Let's keep this fishing/boating forum to just that.
Is this not the political section of the fishing forum?...
Not saying im supporting whats being posted....
But whats the point of coming in here and telling everyone to shut it.
You dont have to click on the "politics" section if you dont want to.
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Originally posted by Clifftastic Clifftastic wrote:

It's a bit long, but reinforces what many probably understand about the absurdity of wearing any old piece of rag around your face. Note Dr Ashley earlier in the year, compared to politician Ashley now...




The video is spot on.
The whole mask thing needs looking at I wonder who has got serious investments in manufacturing companies.

My wife has those fitted masks at ED and yes they are good for 2-3 hours.
Our standard ones as the video says, useless.
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