Tzer wrote: Alan L I think the point croc was making is that Leagsea fully endorses the methodology and states that the truth is New Zealand has a world-leading way of estimating recreational catch. Now so far since the survey results have come out Leagsea themselves haven't publicly endorsed the latest results, but many of their supporters as well as some of their own team have severely criticized the results. So is this double standards or are they being hypocrites. |
Alan L wrote: Something different - today's effort. Got 3. A village is eating fish tonight. Alan |
Muppet wrote: Less fish caught overall is still less fish Croc, wowsers it doesn't get through. We see on TV commercials that fisheries are giving themselves a pat on the back for taking less Hoki and Orange Roughy, of course they had to go to the brink first. So by rights recreational anglers could run a campaign of how 1 million snapper a year less are caught in a year. |
Sanchez wrote: Tzer I don't think you are being as honest as you think you are. Alan's posts about the impact of commercial in his local fishery in particular were remarkably level headed, informative and really really sad. . His point about the data in the survey being only half the span required to properly understand the decline in the original stocks is something worth thinking about. Definitely. I'm not a Legasea supporter so I'm not going to start wondering where they spend their money. It's a bit weird you said that BTW. |
I feel this comment from cirrus pretty much sums up how recreational view themselves "All I can say is when I go out for a fish and bring home a
few fish for dinner I know I am not depleting the fishery" whether you want to accept it or not as a whole commercial, recreational & customary we are all responsible to the depletion of our fisheries.
cirrus wrote: Re fishing industry. T.V commercials. What is their intent. Who are their target viewers.? Costs a lot of money to put together a T.V commercial,and a lot of money to screen it. Who pays for the commercials. Its the same focus everytime. We know there are this many fish and we only catch this many fish. So what. Similar commercials ran last winter. They abruptly ceased,and then it was announced a few weeks after on September 26th 2018 ,that Hoki Quota was to be cut by 22%,because the fish were not co operating. One could only conclude they didnt know how many fish were there at all. And that alone shows how much is assumed ,but in reality how little is known about our fisheries. What those commercials also fail to explain is why quality fish such as Hoki can retail for $10 kg or silver /mirror dory costs around $16 KG. yet fail to explain the high cost of inshore fish. Great to see quality protein available to consumers for affordable prices ,especially in a country where diabeties and obesity are at epidemic levels. Yet our inshore fish are largely beyond the reach of most consumers. Skinned /boned blue cod at $57 KG. Snapper ,John dory and other inshore fish not far behind. WHY.??? . Inshore vessels are smaller ,less labour intensive,travel shorter distance,use less fuel yet the inshore product is expensive compared to the offshore. Is it because they are exported to wealthier markets or is it because the inshore industry is in its sunset years. All i can say is when i go out for a fish and bring home a few fish for dinner i know i am not depleting the fishery. After all fisheries were doing just fine being fished by local populations for food. Worldwide decline began with the invention of the steam trawlers. |
puff wrote: So are recreational fishers taking to much? I’ve the years I would say no. I guess the depletion of fish stock is due to the commercial industry and NOT recreational fishers. We would not be having this discussion if the comms sector pillaged the ocean over the years. To say that rec fishers are taking to much is really pathetic imho. If rec fishers stopped tomorrow how long would it take for the fish stock to return? If comms stopped tomorrow how long would it take for the fish stock to return? |
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