Marko 44 wrote: Thanks whipper In regards to the peer review there is this From the Japanese scientists who happen to agree with the Finnish scientists. Broken down into plain English means "<span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has discussed the impact of cloud cover on climate in their evaluations, but this phenomenon has never been considered in climate predictions due to the insufficient physical understanding of it," comments Professor Hyodo. "This study provides an opportunity to rethink the impact of clouds on climate. When galactic cosmic rays increase, so do low clouds, and when cosmic rays decrease clouds do as well, so climate warming may be caused by an opposite-umbrella effect. The umbrella effect caused by galactic cosmic rays is important when thinking about current global warming as well as the warm period of the medieval era."</span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> </span> <span style="color: rgb51, 51, 51; font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">So what I make of this, is climate change is effected by quite a few different variables.</span> [COLOR=#333333" face="Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]<span style="font-size: 14px;]Sure I will agree pumping oil out of the ground and releasing all that CO2 into the atmosphere can't be that good for the planet. But for the scientific authourity to not include things like a weakening magnetic field and the inverse increase in cosmic rays. The cosmic rays then have an effect on storms and warming. To not include this information because they don't realize the implications is like my tomatoes are deformed because they didn't get enough water, when in fact they might not have got enough potassium, or maybe its calcium or they have had to much nitrogen. </span>[/COLOR] |
snapperdave wrote: We'd better be careful or soon they'll be burning us as witches.......... |
Steps wrote: Yeah 400 ppm is nothing in as far as historical levels go. 900 ppm in the Permian and and an average of 1800 ppm during the Mesozoic Era. Mammals thrived in levels if 500 ppm in the Paleogene. More C02 does not mean the end of life. But it does mean a huge extinction rate. And what survives is not very happy This will not wipe out humans, just make them very uncomfortable for a while, then with a famines and flooding etc , wipe then start to wipe them out in prone areas. Oh thats right we already have that in prone areas...at an increasing rate. As that rate increases, the cost to rebuild / support for the rest become too much in time and economy The cold snap back in the 1300s is a good illustration. |
Muppet wrote: Rozboon, how green do you want us to be? All the reports say ditch carbon tech now which is impossible. |
Muppet wrote: But in this brave new "fairer" world green for one person might mean taking only one less flight to the USA this year as an example. But still flying say another four times, I have a few mates who do this regularly. And if what they are saying is true about dropping C02 as quick as possible my above example is frankly not good enough. But we banned plastic bags so there we can feel better. |
Rozboon wrote: I get it, people don't like being told that what they're doing is, in some way, wrong. |
Fraser Hocks wrote: Ah the internet, a place intended so we can share the knowledge of the world, yet we use it as a place to argue with on another Does climate change? Well yes. Is it caused by humans....I very much doubt it. Should we all be doing more to care about the environment and cause less harm to the environment.... YES! All the warming hype is designed to attempt to stop stupid people that cant think for themselves, doing less harm to our environment.....hopefully Why is it that the ones always flipping out about armageddon due to the latest climate report they have read on the internet, are always the ones with multiple kids running around. Does no one realize that producing more and more people is THE biggest issue we all face. Stop population growth for love of god! And if you don't believe in conspiracies then explain to me why all governments encourage population growth, while they keep bringing in more and more polices around saving the environment, fully in the knowledge that population growth is THE biggest impact on the environment. |
Kevin.S wrote:
In particular we don't like being told WE need to change what we're doing by a bunch of hypocritical do-gooders who think they are so high and mighty. For example Google just held a climate change conference, where the attendees jetted in on over 140 private jets from around the world to talk about how we need to lower emissions. |
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