Kevin.S wrote: Interesting thread, but what it boils down to is that some people administer customary permits well while some abuse the system. Like many things, it seems like a good idea in principal but doesn't always work in practice. It would be an unbelievably brave politician who thought they could improve the current system though. Political suicide I should think. |
Muppet wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/03/what-is-the-sea-telling-us-maori-tribes-fearful-over-whale-strandings Saw this in the Guardian and thought of the irony. 3rd paragraph. Crock of **** |
badger99 wrote: dont even get me started................ "council partnerships with maori land" ratepayers pay for council upkeep of said land. if you feel like you are a Maori then you are, in fact, a Maori. everything is racist except............ you will call me racist for saying this (people are ignorant of the actual meaning of racist) but the so called gaurdians of kai moana are the biggest threat to said kai moana |
Two
Northland men who collected excess and undersize scallops in the Bay of Islands
then used a false retrospective customary permit
trio were
nabbed after taking 2638 green-lipped mussels - the daily limit is 50 per
person - from Mair Bank, off Marsden Pt……..Hei attempted to organise a
retrospective customary permit to gather shellfish and tried to organise access
to Otangarei Marae to evade the fisheries officer.
convicted of altering a kaimoana
customary fishing document to take smaller than allowed paua……He was also fined
for taking more paua than permitted while diving off the Wairarapa coast.
falsely
obtaining a customary authorisation to take paua……secured customary
authorisations for fictitious events which allowed him to take more than the
daily limit…….selling his paua for $22-$25 a kilogram, netting the group a
profit of between $9085 and $12098.
caught
selling paua fritters in Queen Elizabeth Park during Golden Shears became
aggressive and threatened two fisheries officers,…..He had obtained a customary
permit for 60 paua for a 21st birthday party
A man who
used a falsified Maori customary permit to poach paua has been sentenced
senior
Maori guardian of a Hawke's Bay customary food gathering area is facing charges
after allegedly misleading fisheries officers……..discovered the men on November
8 at Clifton, south of Napier, allegedly with extra seafood - much of it
undersized - and the permit altered to include the extra day.
Matt
Paku, a commercial eel and paua fisherman, said legislation governing customary
permits needs to be reworked and registered kaitiaki (guardians) held
accountable at law for the permits they issue.
"It's too loose and needs to be tightened up.
"It's the inconsistency that lets a kaitiaki play God with the fisheries
whether it's allowing undersized fish to be taken, the use or not of (breathing
apparatus) tanks and whether the catch is even reported afterwards," he
said.
"And you don't even have to be Maori. If an Asian or a Russian can
influence a kaitiaki to sign a permit, then they're free to fish under
customary right that ordinarily belongs only to Maori.
"The customary fishing permits are so loose and it's us Maori who are the
burglars and the crooks once again. Is this a Maori fishing right or a
free-for-all?
A Maori
guardian and an MP have expressed anger at hundreds of crayfish being taken
from a Napier customary fishing reserve using commercial fishing equipment………up
to 40 commercial crayfish pots had been seen in the Moremore Mataitai
(customary fishing reserve), gathering up to 1400 crayfish a week for
"traditional purposes",……
obtaining
a Maori customary fishing permit, but learned later that this covered seafood
only for hui and tangi and the fish could not be sold to anyone.
letsgetem wrote: Here are "customary permit" cases reported in the Herald online. Some bits quoted - <font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>Two Northland men who collected excess and undersize scallops in the Bay of Islands then used a false retrospective customary permit<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>trio were nabbed after taking 2638 green-lipped mussels - the daily limit is 50 per person - from Mair Bank, off Marsden Pt……..Hei attempted to organise a retrospective customary permit to gather shellfish and tried to organise access to Otangarei Marae to evade the fisheries officer.<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt;" ="element"=""><span style='font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>convicted of altering a kaimoana customary fishing document to take smaller than allowed paua……He was also fined for taking more paua than permitted while diving off the Wairarapa coast.<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>falsely obtaining a customary authorisation to take paua……secured customary authorisations for fictitious events which allowed him to take more than the daily limit…….selling his paua for $22-$25 a kilogram, netting the group a profit of between $9085 and $12098.<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>caught selling paua fritters in Queen Elizabeth Park during Golden Shears became aggressive and threatened two fisheries officers,…..He had obtained a customary permit for 60 paua for a 21st birthday party<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>A man who used a falsified Maori customary permit to poach paua has been sentenced<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>senior Maori guardian of a Hawke's Bay customary food gathering area is facing charges after allegedly misleading fisheries officers……..discovered the men on November 8 at Clifton, south of Napier, allegedly with extra seafood - much of it undersized - and the permit altered to include the extra day.<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>Matt Paku, a commercial eel and paua fisherman, said legislation governing customary permits needs to be reworked and registered kaitiaki (guardians) held accountable at law for the permits they issue. "It's too loose and needs to be tightened up. "It's the inconsistency that lets a kaitiaki play God with the fisheries whether it's allowing undersized fish to be taken, the use or not of (breathing apparatus) tanks and whether the catch is even reported afterwards," he said. "And you don't even have to be Maori. If an Asian or a Russian can influence a kaitiaki to sign a permit, then they're free to fish under customary right that ordinarily belongs only to Maori. "The customary fishing permits are so loose and it's us Maori who are the burglars and the crooks once again. Is this a Maori fishing right or a free-for-all?<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>A Maori guardian and an MP have expressed anger at hundreds of crayfish being taken from a Napier customary fishing reserve using commercial fishing equipment………up to 40 commercial crayfish pots had been seen in the Moremore Mataitai (customary fishing reserve), gathering up to 1400 crayfish a week for "traditional purposes",……<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><span style='line-height: 115%; font-family: "Source Sans Pro Light"; font-size: 15pt; mso-bidi-font-family: Helvetica;'>obtaining a Maori customary fishing permit, but learned later that this covered seafood only for hui and tangi and the fish could not be sold to anyone.<o:p></o:p></span><font face="Times New Roman" size="1"> <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" ="msonormal"=""><o:p><font face="Arial" size="1"> I am sure this is the tip (ie that's come to Fisheries attention) of a huge iceberg of graft.</o:p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"> |
v8-coupe wrote: "from a Napier customary fishing reserve" 'the Moremore Mataitai (customary fishing reserve)" Does this mean there are reserves dotted around NZ that only NZers of Maori descent can access? |
pjc wrote: What would be so wrong with Maori only fishing zones?We the European haven't done a very good job of looking after the natural resources,I can see this would become an apartheid sort of issue. But before European arrived Maori would fish an area whether that be for shellfish/flounder then close for a period of time(rahui)and move somewhere else and repeat the process over again. If we look overseas ,particularly America where the Europeans killed of the buffalo to drive the red Indian out of futile land. Africa the poaching that goes on maybe down by natives supplying a European driven market or lions(big cats)as trophy hunts by the wealthy. Asia destroying plantations for palm oil which is killing of the Asian elephant/gorilla .We have a lot to answer for! |
feeder wrote: The original object of this thread was to inform people like myself whom have had no prior experience of the customary permit system. I have had no problem with the customary permits until I saw for myself the outrageous greed of the permit holders and the issuing party and the inevitable wastage after the cultural event. If there was a national standard on permit take and permit issuing then it could be on the right track. I don't see myself bothering to apply for a customary permit, I can catch enough to feed my family under existing rules. Mataitai reserves as I understand, are for customary and recreational fishers under the current law, no commercial. Cheers
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