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As has been said Western Australia has had a requirement for fishers to possess fishing licenses for some years now. Initially the majority had reservations with regards to the licensing system however I believe most would now be in favour of it as they have seen what it can achieve. The estimated population of WA in 2016 is approx. 2.7M and the funds raised from licenses is in the order of $6M.
The yearly license fees are as follows:
Recreational Fishing License               $30
Rock Lobster                                        $40
Abalone                                                $40
Marron (like freshwater crayfish)          $40
Freshwater Angling                             $40
Netting                                                  $40

The Recreational Fishing License does not apply to land based anglers and concessions apply for minors and senior citizens and in addition there are discounts where multiple licenses are purchased in one transaction. Licenses can be purchased online 24/7.
Given the population of NZ is in the order of 4.7M and applying the same pricing structure as WA and assuming a similar fishers per head of population ratio as WA you could expect that approx. $10.4M per annum in fees alone could be raised in NZ.

The following is a cut and paste from the WA Department of Fisheries website to provide you with some general information.

"Supporting recreational fishing
Each year about $19 million is spent on the management and improvement of our recreational fisheries.
Recreational fishers contribute about $6m to this cost through licence fees, every cent of which is spent, by law, on recreational fishing.
The State Government contributes the remaining $13 million to ensure the continuation of sustainable management of recreational fishing in Western Australia.
Our approach to maintaining sustainable fisheries is underpinned by:
•     Research – including making assessments of fish stocks, researching key recreational fishing species and undertaking surveys of recreational fishing activity.
•     Management – including the identification and management of risks to recreational fishing and fish stocks, consultation with the recreational fishing community, developing new fishing laws and managing recreational fishing projects.
•     Compliance – educating recreational fishers and the community about sustainable fishing, enforcing recreational fishing rules and protecting fish stocks and fish habitats.
The peak body representing recreational fishing interests in Western Australia, Recfishwest, advises and represents the interests of recreational fishers and provides advice to the Government.
Increases in money from recreational fishing licences in recent years and additional government money have funded several new initiatives that have enhanced recreational fishing in Western Australia.
New recreational fishing initiatives
Additional fisheries mobile patrol units
$2 million has been spent on thirteen additional Fisheries and Marine Officers and extra vehicles now operating around the State. The patrol units play an important educational and enforcement role in the long-term promotion of sustainable fishing practices and compliance with the rules.
Artificial reef pilot study
$520,000 of licence fees have been invested towards a $2.38 million project to trial the State’s first artificial reef.
Lake Kununurra barramundi restocking project
$700,000 is being invested over four years to restock Lake Kununurra with barramundi for the enhancement of recreational fishing. This project is aiming to establish a world-class trophy barramundi fishery – a major boon to the recreational community and tourism in the Kimberley.
Western Australian Recreational Boat Fishing Survey
The third recreational boat fishing survey began in the autumn of 2015. Information is being collected until August 2016 and this time the survey has been expanded to include shore-based fishing.
In the previous two surveys - carried out over 12 months from March 2011 to February 2012 and May 2013 to April 2014 - approximately 3,000 fishers kept logbooks in each survey. Almost 7,500 boat fishers were surveyed around WA in the 2013/14 survey.
The results from this project provide important data about who is fishing where and what they are catching.
This is critical information for the effective management of the State's fisheries and aquatic ecosystem resources, helping to ensure there are fish for the future.
Recreational Fishing Initiatives Fund
A proportion of Recreational Fishing Licence fees, ranging between $1 and $1.5m, is set aside each year to provide grant funding for initiatives, projects and research that directly benefit recreational fishing.
Any academic institution, community, government, or non-government organisation can apply for these grants.
Examples of some grants that have already been approved include:
•     Fish Aggregating Devices (FADs) to be deployed off the WA coast between Cervantes and Jurien Bay;
•     Contributions to the artificial reefs program;
•     New fish species identification signs around Esperance;
•     Preliminary work on a Recreational Fishing Catch and Effort Electronic Data Capture System;
•     Funding for about 250 tackle stores and other outlets to provide recreational fishing brochures, stickers and other important information to recreational fishers throughout WA.
•     Educational fishing trips for underprivileged children in the East Kimberley; and
•     Manufacture of ‘brag mats’ in Broome to educate fishers about size limits and improving fish release techniques.
Further information about the initiatives fund, including how to apply for small grants and large grants is available from Recfishwest."

What you need to remember is that you do not need to set up a new gov. dept or infrastructure. You already have a Dept of Fisheries complete with fisheries inspectors. The license funds supplement the existing structure and could pay for a few more inspectors as has been the case over here.
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Mate. There are plenty of fish if commercial weren't allowed to take so much and if they were properly policed.

Ya know those fish just turn into net profit for a select few right?
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No fee for me thanks! it will only go to seat polishers and probably end up subsidising comms in some way?
I just don't trust govt to keep their hands out of the fund! been proven time and time again.
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As has been said Western Australia has had a requirement for fishers to possess fishing licenses for some years now. Initially the majority had reservations with regards to the licensing system however I believe most would now be in favour of it as they have seen what it can achieve. The estimated population of WA in 2016 is approx. 2.7M and the funds raised from licenses is in the order of $6M.
The yearly license fees are as follows:
Recreational Fishing License               $30
Rock Lobster                                        $40
Abalone                                                $40
Marron (like freshwater crayfish)          $40
Freshwater Angling                             $40
Netting                                                  $40

The Recreational Fishing License does not apply to land based anglers and concessions apply for minors and senior citizens and in addition there are discounts where multiple licenses are purchased in one transaction. Licenses can be purchased online 24/7.
Given the population of NZ is in the order of 4.7M and applying the same pricing structure as WA and assuming a similar fishers per head of population ratio as WA you could expect that approx. $10.4M per annum in fees alone could be raised in NZ.

The following is a cut and paste from the WA Department of Fisheries website to provide you with some general information.

"Supporting recreational fishing
Each year about $19 million is spent on the management and improvement of our recreational fisheries.
Recreational fishers contribute about $6m to this cost through licence fees, every cent of which is spent, by law, on recreational fishing.
The State Government contributes the remaining $13 million to ensure the continuation of sustainable management of recreational fishing in Western Australia.
Our approach to maintaining sustainable fisheries is underpinned by:
•     Research – including making assessments of fish stocks, researching key recreational fishing species and undertaking surveys of recreational fishing activity.
•     Management – including the identification and management of risks to recreational fishing and fish stocks, consultation with the recreational fishing community, developing new fishing laws and managing recreational fishing projects.
•     Compliance – educating recreational fishers and the community about sustainable fishing, enforcing recreational fishing rules and protecting fish stocks and fish habitats.
The peak body representing recreational fishing interests in Western Australia, Recfishwest, advises and represents the interests of recreational fishers and provides advice to the Government.
Increases in money from recreational fishing licences in recent years and additional government money have funded several new initiatives that have enhanced recreational fishing in Western Australia.
New recreational fishing initiatives
Additional fisheries mobile patrol units
$2 million has been spent on thirteen additional Fisheries and Marine Officers and extra vehicles now operating around the State. The patrol units play an important educational and enforcement role in the long-term promotion of sustainable fishing practices and compliance with the rules.
Artificial reef pilot study
$520,000 of licence fees have been invested towards a $2.38 million project to trial the State’s first artificial reef.
Lake Kununurra barramundi restocking project
$700,000 is being invested over four years to restock Lake Kununurra with barramundi for the enhancement of recreational fishing. This project is aiming to establish a world-class trophy barramundi fishery – a major boon to the recreational community and tourism in the Kimberley.
Western Australian Recreational Boat Fishing Survey
The third recreational boat fishing survey began in the autumn of 2015. Information is being collected until August 2016 and this time the survey has been expanded to include shore-based fishing.
In the previous two surveys - carried out over 12 months from March 2011 to February 2012 and May 2013 to April 2014 - approximately 3,000 fishers kept logbooks in each survey. Almost 7,500 boat fishers were surveyed around WA in the 2013/14 survey.
The results from this project provide important data about who is fishing where and what they are catching.
This is critical information for the effective management of the State's fisheries and aquatic ecosystem resources, helping to ensure there are fish for the future.
Recreational Fishing Initiatives Fund
A proportion of Recreational Fishing Licence fees, ranging between $1 and $1.5m, is set aside each year to provide grant funding for initiatives, projects and research that directly benefit recreational fishing.
Any academic institution, community, government, or non-government organisation can apply for these grants.
Examples of some grants that have already been approved include:
•     Fish Aggregating Devices (FADs) to be deployed off the WA coast between Cervantes and Jurien Bay;
•     Contributions to the artificial reefs program;
•     New fish species identification signs around Esperance;
•     Preliminary work on a Recreational Fishing Catch and Effort Electronic Data Capture System;
•     Funding for about 250 tackle stores and other outlets to provide recreational fishing brochures, stickers and other important information to recreational fishers throughout WA.
•     Educational fishing trips for underprivileged children in the East Kimberley; and
•     Manufacture of ‘brag mats’ in Broome to educate fishers about size limits and improving fish release techniques.
Further information about the initiatives fund, including how to apply for small grants and large grants is available from Recfishwest."

What you need to remember is that you do not need to set up a new gov. dept or infrastructure. You already have a Dept of Fisheries complete with fisheries inspectors. The license funds supplement the existing structure and could pay for a few more inspectors as has been the case over here.


Sounds great! What WA has is a coast line that isn't as accessible as our harbours and loads of people putting to sea in all sorts of tubs. Yes we already have a dept all set up but it is horrifically understaffed with most fisheries inspectors being HFO's. I fished 20 years at my local popular boat ramp without ever having my catch inspected. Now we have a local HFO and he has checked my catch maybe 6 times in the last 5 years.

Would I pay it if it was going to work? Yes. Will it work? Not a chance.

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The good ol Kiwi can do attitude in play there Smudge LOL 

That is one thing we can pay for more paid pro inspectors. 
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Originally posted by Baru Baru wrote:

Fishing Licence
Advantages
•     Provided the administrative body is independent of direct Government control will provide a legitimate body that represents the interests of recreational fisherman. Currently, there is no body that can legitimately say they represent the recreational fishing sector, Legasea and NZ Sport Fishing Council etc. are doing a good job, but probably represent say no more than 20 % of recreational fisherman.

Disadvantages
•     There is a real danger of creating a new “unproductive” industry. In recent time the biggest growth industries in NZ have been in compliance/administration, management systems, QA. RMA etc. etc. overseen by local, regional and central government plus groups of self-interest companies, all mostly unproductive, consuming a huge amount of time and resources.
•     I live in the Far North and a significant percentage of the population live a subsistent lifestyle and view collecting seafood not as recreational fishing but as obtaining food for the table, no different to a townie going to the supermarket.


An excellent appraisal. Agree 100%
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Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

As has been said Western Australia has had a requirement for fishers to possess fishing licenses for some years now. Initially the majority had reservations with regards to the licensing system however I believe most would now be in favour of it as they have seen what it can achieve. The estimated population of WA in 2016 is approx. 2.7M and the funds raised from licenses is in the order of $6M.
The yearly license fees are as follows:
Recreational Fishing License               $30
Rock Lobster                                        $40
Abalone                                                $40
Marron (like freshwater crayfish)          $40
Freshwater Angling                             $40
Netting                                                  $40

The Recreational Fishing License does not apply to land based anglers and concessions apply for minors and senior citizens and in addition there are discounts where multiple licenses are purchased in one transaction. Licenses can be purchased online 24/7.
Given the population of NZ is in the order of 4.7M and applying the same pricing structure as WA and assuming a similar fishers per head of population ratio as WA you could expect that approx. $10.4M per annum in fees alone could be raised in NZ.

The following is a cut and paste from the WA Department of Fisheries website to provide you with some general information.

"Supporting recreational fishing
Each year about $19 million is spent on the management and improvement of our recreational fisheries.
Recreational fishers contribute about $6m to this cost through licence fees, every cent of which is spent, by law, on recreational fishing.
The State Government contributes the remaining $13 million to ensure the continuation of sustainable management of recreational fishing in Western Australia.
Our approach to maintaining sustainable fisheries is underpinned by:
•     Research – including making assessments of fish stocks, researching key recreational fishing species and undertaking surveys of recreational fishing activity.
•     Management – including the identification and management of risks to recreational fishing and fish stocks, consultation with the recreational fishing community, developing new fishing laws and managing recreational fishing projects.
•     Compliance – educating recreational fishers and the community about sustainable fishing, enforcing recreational fishing rules and protecting fish stocks and fish habitats.
The peak body representing recreational fishing interests in Western Australia, Recfishwest, advises and represents the interests of recreational fishers and provides advice to the Government.
Increases in money from recreational fishing licences in recent years and additional government money have funded several new initiatives that have enhanced recreational fishing in Western Australia.
New recreational fishing initiatives
Additional fisheries mobile patrol units
$2 million has been spent on thirteen additional Fisheries and Marine Officers and extra vehicles now operating around the State. The patrol units play an important educational and enforcement role in the long-term promotion of sustainable fishing practices and compliance with the rules.
Artificial reef pilot study
$520,000 of licence fees have been invested towards a $2.38 million project to trial the State’s first artificial reef.
Lake Kununurra barramundi restocking project
$700,000 is being invested over four years to restock Lake Kununurra with barramundi for the enhancement of recreational fishing. This project is aiming to establish a world-class trophy barramundi fishery – a major boon to the recreational community and tourism in the Kimberley.
Western Australian Recreational Boat Fishing Survey
The third recreational boat fishing survey began in the autumn of 2015. Information is being collected until August 2016 and this time the survey has been expanded to include shore-based fishing.
In the previous two surveys - carried out over 12 months from March 2011 to February 2012 and May 2013 to April 2014 - approximately 3,000 fishers kept logbooks in each survey. Almost 7,500 boat fishers were surveyed around WA in the 2013/14 survey.
The results from this project provide important data about who is fishing where and what they are catching.
This is critical information for the effective management of the State's fisheries and aquatic ecosystem resources, helping to ensure there are fish for the future.
Recreational Fishing Initiatives Fund
A proportion of Recreational Fishing Licence fees, ranging between $1 and $1.5m, is set aside each year to provide grant funding for initiatives, projects and research that directly benefit recreational fishing.
Any academic institution, community, government, or non-government organisation can apply for these grants.
Examples of some grants that have already been approved include:
•     Fish Aggregating Devices (FADs) to be deployed off the WA coast between Cervantes and Jurien Bay;
•     Contributions to the artificial reefs program;
•     New fish species identification signs around Esperance;
•     Preliminary work on a Recreational Fishing Catch and Effort Electronic Data Capture System;
•     Funding for about 250 tackle stores and other outlets to provide recreational fishing brochures, stickers and other important information to recreational fishers throughout WA.
•     Educational fishing trips for underprivileged children in the East Kimberley; and
•     Manufacture of ‘brag mats’ in Broome to educate fishers about size limits and improving fish release techniques.
Further information about the initiatives fund, including how to apply for small grants and large grants is available from Recfishwest."

What you need to remember is that you do not need to set up a new gov. dept or infrastructure. You already have a Dept of Fisheries complete with fisheries inspectors. The license funds supplement the existing structure and could pay for a few more inspectors as has been the case over here.


Sounds great! What WA has is a coast line that isn't as accessible as our harbours and loads of people putting to sea in all sorts of tubs. Yes we already have a dept all set up but it is horrifically understaffed with most fisheries inspectors being HFO's. I fished 20 years at my local popular boat ramp without ever having my catch inspected. Now we have a local HFO and he has checked my catch maybe 6 times in the last 5 years.

Would I pay it if it was going to work? Yes. Will it work? Not a chance.



You are correct that WA has a huge coastline in comparison to NZ and that much of our coast is inaccessible. The fact the coastline is huge spreads the fisheries officers thin on the ground over here as well. Are you inferring that NZ fishers won't pay for a licence because the risk of detection is low? Sure some won't pay and take the risk of prosecution but we see that in all walks of life. Once educated I would like to think that most will do the right thing.
I fish mainly in Perth metro these days and on average I guess I see fisheries officers maybe 1 or 2 times a year. I know they are out and about though and that's a good thing.
You may well be correct that it won't work in NZ, I don't know. What I do know however is that you will never realise the benefits of a license system unless you implement one. Try it, if it doesn't work, fine, then can it!
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Not sure what the font size should mean but people do it.  Yes, in principle everything is fine, but in practice its not.  The chouce is basically

1  - just do what the ferk you want

2  - lets agree common rules

i go for 2, and without any form of official framework then you are bascially in (1). 

Fine.  lets go that way and rape the seas.  Fine by me since i am old and will die before the oceans are barren, but would prefer it if my kids and their kids had a sensible fishery....
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Here is a thought, how about a proportional fishing license then?
Say everyone in NZ can fish for free, no worries. Anywhere, any time (saltwater I mean here by the way), and you are allowed to catch TWO FISH. Of any species. Has to be of size etc to conform to the normal fishing rules.
If you want or expect to catch MORE than two fish, you need to buy a fishing licence for say $40 for a year, no, no one day, one week licences, just a single year long licence.
Then you get to fish for the normal set limits as per normal.
This way, "sustenance" fishers can catch their daily feed, the occasional rock/surf caster can go out to flick a bait out, no problems.
But anyone planning on doing some serious fishing, needs a licence. Charter boats will need to ensure all their clients have licences, fishing clubs etc will encourage their members to get licences so they can catch more than two fish, this way serious or even semi serious fishermen will all be contributing to our fishery, and freeloaders or occasional line wetters can still do their bit of fishing without thinking about a licence.
If you are ever going out with the intent of catching more than two fish, then you need a licence, how hard is that? Maybe exclude kingfish, hapuku etc from the two fish bag too?
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A No from me for a general fishing licence.
It would lead to a fundamental change in who was able to go fishing (legally) in New Zealand.

The snapper "sustainability measures in 2013" was a Ministry lead process that we had little control over but LegaSea had to engage with. We held public meetings, ran an email campaign to Politicians, encouraged submissions, built a database of supporters etc. Our Stop the Senseless Waste campaign struck a cord with fishers and non-fishers and was backed up by the Catch Reconstruction project. (Introduction over)

In 2013 the recreational allowance in SNA1 was increased by 500 t. The average quota price for trades in the 2012-13 fishing year was $82,066 per tonne. So the value to commercial fishers at that time was $41,000,000.

So the Fisheries Act says the Minister "Shall allow for recreational fishing interests". While the system at the moment is far from perfect, how would it look if that sort of money from a National fishing licence was used to buy quota mainly for snapper fishers in the Hauraki Gulf ?  Imagine the pressure on Your Recreational Fishing Representatives if they had to make that decision.  
God help us all if it gets to this. 


 
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Its all very good and well to introduce licences rules laws etc.. licence for anything ..
But the has to be the mechanics to enforce those laws / liences are current.
So who enforces the boat skipper licence.. harbour master coast guard?   and who enforces the fishing licences?

We have a small handful of idiots on the water.. very rarely do they actually cause damage/ injury in proportion to the numbers of boats or per capita out there... be it a fizz sail or gin.  Which in,any respects is due to the educational efforts put in by Coast Gaurd and Boat/ fishing clubs.

you have a better chance getting run down by a bus, and even that is usually due to stupidity... like using a cell phone.

So following that logic  we should licince the use of a cell phone before boats.

In saying that, if a boat licence was to be considered , I think it would be far more prudent that  a boating club and/ or coast guard membership be required as min instead.

 Fishing licence.. I dont know about Manukau, but th other side... we have been checked ( one more of a curious) visit out 2 times on the water in the last .. and have been thru 3 check stops ( few questions and told to move on) in the last 4/5 yrs.
 Now compare that to car licence/ wof checks....been thru maybe 20 at least.....in last 4 or 5 yrs
 And drink drive 2 in the last 20 plus.

 Personally I dont support any licensing ... but support compulsory Coast Guard membership at least... which could possibly lead to a compulsory basic skipper coases, (maybe more advanced for larger boats) further into the future
 And maybe complusory boat / fishing club membership.

Now Why would this NOT happen?
 surely it would be reasonable and logical step forward in boat safety education etc?

 Well get all the rec fishers / boating together into one place... that makes communication on things like fisheries issues very easy.. basically it in effect 'unionises' rec boaties and fishermen under one or 2 roofs.... AND provides a income to rec fish organizations thru affiliation fees.
And thru that a well co ordinated, financed rec fishing lobby.

Nah  will not happen
 they will bring in licensing, under staff the enforcement, and put the money towards further 'scientific proven' (just got to love that vague propaganda marketing term in advertising) research that meets the current commercial interests.

Hence Im very anti licensing....

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It seems to me that many folks are anti the fishing license issue as they have no trust in it ever being enforced or policed, and there is a serious (and I think entirely valid and legitimate) suspicion that the money will just be gobbled up by the government bureaucracy with absolutely no positive results for rec fishing interests.
However....if a licensing system were to be established with conditions set where ALL license funds were to be used for set purposes, with no option for the govt bureaucracy to filch 100% for "administration costs" as I suspect we all suspect would happen, but that say 30% be dedicated to funding on the water and land based MPI/HFO policing, 30% to fisheries research on rec fishing issues, 20% to admin and licence issuing etc and 20% to a dedicated rec fishing representative organisation....that last being a non negotiable figure, would that mollify any of you?
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90% of recreational fishermen go fishing once or twice a year I'm guessing.  A license would certainly alienate all of those people from LegaSea or any group promoting licensing. Apathy is one thing, hatred is another. Divide and conquer and it will be all our own doing Confused
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fishing licences   reporting catch will come in sooner than we think along with boat rego and skipper licence and no doubt more catch/take limits. I would it give 10yrs max more likely in 5yrs due to increase in boating population.    Rember David Seymour (act party) has already stated we are rich Pr$cks
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Everyone has valid points for this argument, but unfortunately the kiwi system would let it down very quickly, the model they need to look at is the California fish and game system.
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Now what about enabling us to claim back the ROAD TAX on our fuel... better still have that proportion of the cost of out fuel go to something relievent to rec fishing..
 Lets see , what is it about 40% of petrol has to do with road taxes going not to roads but into the consolidated government a/c.
 I suppose we would spend around $3500/ $4000 per yr on petrol just for boat ... now wack licences on top of that $1600 of tax already collected...while at it throw in a boat rego....
 And if going by most things all that will go into the consolidated fund as well.

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