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Who has their new bill and how much of a rise? Its gone up about 35% for us. Angry
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But so has house value Smile in Auckland.
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Rates all about the aristocrats putting land tax on the occupiers of land.When and if property values fall will they reduce rates again.
Rates up 35%. Will you get 35% more value.?
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Being on the very edge of the supercity the CV's round here didn't skyrocket like some areas of Auckland when they re-assessed them.  Consequently my rates have just gone down by a whole six dollars, better than an increase though.
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We are going to be hit with a 10% increase...
Also been looking at retiring out of town...lots places , both coro coasts, up nth.
I really hate to have to say this.
Even with the 10% increase...we in general have more and more comprehensible local services.. from parks, ramps, sports grounds, halls, footpaths, drainage etc etc  than these more remote places that dont have them.
And then when we throw in town supply services on top of rates.. given that and the far superior services...our updated Auckland rates are either cheaper or at most marginally over.
 I repeat...I hate to say this...but it is rather a surprise and eye opener in resent weeks.
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The story in the herald about this was a good laugh.  Some woman was complaining her rates had increased by 118%, and how terrible it was.  But when you read the story she had built another house on the section, so the rates were now for two houses.  In the circumstances hardly unreasonable.
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Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

We are going to be hit with a 10% increase...
Also been looking at retiring out of town...lots places , both coro coasts, up nth.
I really hate to have to say this.
Even with the 10% increase...we in general have more and more comprehensible local services.. from parks, ramps, sports grounds, halls, footpaths, drainage etc etc  than these more remote places that dont have them.
And then when we throw in town supply services on top of rates.. given that and the far superior services...our updated Auckland rates are either cheaper or at most marginally over.
 I repeat...I hate to say this...but it is rather a surprise and eye opener in resent weeks.
 
Yep economy of scale - at our house in Taumarunui rates are similar despite house values a fraction of Akld and we pay for rubbish bags though water is not metered a real plus.  And power is REALLY expensive and only one of everything so service is pretty laid back..But one real bonus is police a LOT better - they know locals well and actually respond and come round when you call - maybe just the area but seems better than in Auckland..   
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$200 per year increase ,Im in red beach nth ak
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Personally have not seen a 35% increase in service's. As to value of house well its only worth as much as someone is prepared to pay. 
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Often club committees make the mistake of not raising club rates for long periods, and often to the extent that finance may cover some basic expenses... then a new committee comes along....does a few numbers and finds that a hefty increase is required to cover maintenance expenses  as such...
Now if the orginal committee had gently increased the fees slowly over the the last 10 or 15 yrs to cover future expenses.. like paint club rooms or put in new kitchen, whatever....non of the members would complain.
But the new committee has to do a single massive increase and that draws criticism from the members...
And there has been no increase in benefits or services either

Now Im not backing the rates increase, rather the opposite.. like the previous 'committee' many of the future proofing of services, be they water /waste whatever.. the council has not administrated this well... AND more has the now privatised companys that supply these service to the council and us.l

And if these slush funds for future growth , maintenance etc where put aside... where the hell are they... or have they been chewed up in private cabinets of the mayors office or building of fancy councils building, only to find the council works have to walk to bloody far

So yes I can see the need for the increases but because of council incompetent decisions at many levels...and one of those levels is because of Central Government incompetence with foreign investment ... not in industry.. but in homes, and by far the largest population growth in a city built on a issumus with oceans either side.
And as JAFA it is us who  NOW have to pay for the incompetence and lack of forward planing of both local and central government bureaucrats and pollies
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Problem is Steps I can see these silly 30% increases next year too and maybe the year after. They get away with it once they will try again.

Besides the whole point of "Super City" was to make it affordable and run smoother. 
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Exactly.  Those of us who live in the old Manukau City had already paid through our rates over a number of years for new roading and services and the same no doubt applies to the other areas in North Shore and Waitakere. 
And now we are having to pay for legacy service upgrades in the Greater Auckland area because of past under investment, plus contribute through rates for the costs of building inner city rail services which many if not most of us will never have any need to use.  The creation of the Super City has not resulted in the promised economies of scale, no matter which way the bean counters try to slice the cake as there are too many conflicting needs both on a regional and local basis.
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In turn though Olfart, there are many people who will not use the boat ramps around the region, many who don't like art, reading, those who are too old to play on the swings....

Now I dont fully agree with size of the rates rise but I do agree with Steps that there has been massive under investment in the past and so we are paying for it now. I went on a tour of the Mangere Treatment plant the other week and you should see how awesome it is and how massively it has turned around water quality in the Manukau Harbour, leading to a healthier fishery. I think you would be so happy with that outcome alone, you wont even wince at the next rate bill Wink
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Ah yes, under investment ... If you check you will find I have been harping on about that for a while now .....
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theres a lot you don't see happening because your stuck in your little bubble, there's more work going on this year than ever before.
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Problem is Steps I can see these silly 30% increases next year too and maybe the year after. They get away with it once they will try again.

Yep totally agree.. it logical.. we HAVE bureaucrats with no foresight or common-sense...Have.. that means they are still there.. attempting to 'fix' something they have screwed so bad they cant do so.. because of the shortage of infer structure is so far behind, and current population growth rate
IT is beyond fixing now....  but these ppl hold their no accountability jobs and elected positions because of PC employment contracts they designed....and anyone with any sense would not touch the problem with a barge pole and condom on the end.. because it is unfixable
So what we have now, regardless of immigration , off shore purchases....is a market of limited space due to narrow strip of land... and a transport network also limited because of the oceans either side...and a market of basic supply and demand responding to the conditions.
At the end of the day it will be ONLY the market that will determine the future of Auckland....regardless of any tax or immigration policy chances now.

Those holding land.. like many of us.. asset rich , cash poor... will eventually cash up, retire or semi retire out of town....apartments will be the norm.. espec with the new NZers coming from that sort of enviroment thats 'normal'....the houses left, be they low injcome whatever will only be affordable to those well off and will turn into afulent suburbs (eg take a look at Japan).....and look around in places like Sth Auckland...little house being ripped down, a 650 m section then has 2 houses often with pillars each side of the front door... and surrounded with 1960s/1970s  Universal/ neil homes group houses....
Its happening NOW....
Sound impossible... take a look at say ponsbey, heine bay... was not long ago they where the slums of Auckland...
OR it will go like Detroit...simply die which I do think is unlikely.

And socially where will that go... well Aucklands housing is upgraded.. so do the rents go up, the houses go up.. so who can afford to stay? Those who currently own , those who are employed.. already if one is to drive around many areas not long ago where rather 'untidy' now have re fitted rebuilt, mown lawns, and well presented ....just how much does this also influence Auckland prices, espec those in lower income areas
So all this concern may not be justified over the next couple decades

The only ppl who ACTUALLY have an issue are those whose children cant buy .... locally..  Our children moved out of town... and CAN afford to save, work hard and buy the 1/4 acea ...is that so damn bad for the grandchildren... think about it....market pressures.
Grand parents are cashing up, and also moving.. that so bad?  espec considering the low returns on retirement investments .. and the lowest inflation in living memory..

Yes we have a case to grizzle on house prices , the reasons, rate increases and the bearocratic PC BS that in ingrained right thru our local and central government systems.....
But to just sit back and grizzle without looking as to where our future lies and how we can move (with) the market is where most ppl go wrong.

The wife and I have just done a few days around trip 'out of town' places  (with all tide ramps, prevailing winds and fishing grounds 1st prioty...Also looked at availability of employment .. and part time to sustain the out of town life stle without touching the cash...) With veiw of
either cashing , or building a couple houses on the property.. then sell up our long term family home .....
OK to and from the ramp is just over 1 hr out of each day out in he boat...but the bottom end is pretty, always get a feed for all....and we like our home.
So for now we are going to sit....pay rates that have a little to go before getting to those of the places we are looking at...
And yes we live in one of those  modest lower income places in Sth Auckland, which have been noticeably getting very tidy as mentioned above....

keep in mind stop ALL immigration, stop ALL off shore ownership at this stage WILL NOT change the Auckland market.. other than at best slow the RATE of property valves.. which will remain well above the rest of the country.

OK a little of the above may not be popular, but read it thru, think it thru, may not be on the mark , but wil not be far off... considering what much of what I say is already happening, and my 'theory' hasnt changed or some 25 yrs

Food for thought.

OH we complain about young family affordabity.. we had that many times since brought my 1st home in early 70s... but like back then we moved to affordable areas outside those unaffordable.. that what our children have done..not ***** and blame baby boomers.. but be proactive to achieve a 1/4 acre for THEIR children .. just like we did... turns things into a non issue really.. and they move on forward in their lives
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Originally posted by of2fsh of2fsh wrote:

theres a lot you don't see happening because your stuck in your little bubble, there's more work going on this year than ever before.

Like what? Is this year any different to any other year as far as civil work goes. Let us know where our $$$$ go.


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Do a little digging and u will find a list of projects, maintenance upgrades that have been deferred and cancelled...right across Auckland, many of these happen to be basic stuff.. and yeah some simply stupid....then throw in the mix of scheduled projects and some of those are just a waster spend up of rate payer money....Then throw in parts of projects .. like super expensive curtains and fittings.. on top of that , if you and I went in to buy could pick them up are hugely discounted prices, but a cheaper alternative would still be a better choice.
So as I indicate before, we are stuck between a rock and a hard place...
We can grizzle....we as Kiwis are an apathetic lot.. no that will not change anything.. we have a bureaucracy ingrained with 'qualified' ppl who know how t give their lectures what they like and pass (usually with good grades)... with no common sense .. a product of our modern education system... and anyone with a little common sense is either beaten down in the system or has more sense than be stupid enough to go into it or stand at election time.
And when things screw up.. the incompetence is not dealt with or removed to make room for competence... but re training of people who should already be 'qualified '  and throw more money at the problem.
So unless city hall is burnt down, or Auckland city does a 'Greece' we are stuck with what we have got. And this goes right thru NZ bureaucracy.. including fisheries / quota etc


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