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Originally posted by onthedrop onthedrop wrote:

Ok JK gives the money to charity HOW Philanthropic of him.
I'm not going to vote Mana.
I believe we've accrued heaps more debt under national....... thats not saving us from the gurgler
Errrm have you heard of the Global Financial Crisis Jackson or did that one pass you by? When a number of much larger economies have defaulted on their loans, we've actually got through it better than many of the other OECD countries. The nay-sayers will try and put a negative spin on it but we're in pretty good shape compared to other economies.

The Nats have done a pretty good job IMO.
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Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

That 'increase' in wealth is unrealised and those figures are completely misleading but you'd expect that from someone like Minto.....
Key doesn't take his salary, true! But how much of it is "donated to charity"? Do those donations qualify for tax refunds ?
The point is he chooses to donate it when he could just as easily keep it. What are you trying to say Bull?
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Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

 
While you were at University did you have to borrow $50k to pay for your education or was it free?

Why is education not free now?? Because the government doesn't have enough cash because it doesn't collect enough tax! Who doesn't pay an equal percentage of tax???

My parents had a dim view of university so I worked for 5 years, did a bunch of pre-uni courses, then convinced the company I was with to put me through uni once I had enough pre-uni credits to get the uni degree down to 2 years. So yes it was free for me as long as I worked through all the holidays. I was on a bloody good deal as far as I was concerned. I dare say that someone could do a similar thing today if they were motivated enough and didn't have easy access to cheap loans.
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the Nats have done a bloody good job,  as Grunta said THINK before you vote, forget all the faces and the BS   red blue green or whatever!  who is going to do the best job to put food on your table and maintain our great kiwi lifestyle, the answer is obvious to those who can think, to me it is the Nats but I respect those who would go Labour. Greens, NZ1st, etc  But as for Minto and the Internet Mana the are a repulsive joke, extradite them to the middle east maybe they will fit in better there!! onthedrop should go with them as he is obviously not happy with his NZ lifestyle.
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

Originally posted by Raging Bull Raging Bull wrote:

Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

That 'increase' in wealth is unrealised and those figures are completely misleading but you'd expect that from someone like Minto.....
Key doesn't take his salary, true! But how much of it is "donated to charity"? Do those donations qualify for tax refunds ?
The point is he chooses to donate it when he could just as easily keep it. What are you trying to say Bull?


I'm just saying that some people blow smoke up John key because he doesn't tKe his salary, yet I'm sure he ends up claim loads of that donated salary back. I think that is a Clever ploy to look good, the fact that he doesn't collect a salary is because it is chump change to him! A small cost to gain some more votes.

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Grunta who and what caused the GFC mess in the first place and who had to wear it?

 
 
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Rustler - I don't really know that I consider the Nats to have done a great deal. Yes the economy is better than most, but why is that? Mostly it is because we have a free trade agreement with China that has taken them from almost nothing to being our biggest export market at a time when we desperately needed a new market to replace the falling levels in our traditional ones. So then, National signed the free trade agreement, but who actually started that ball rolling? Take away the China FTA, and what have the Nats really done to bring about the current economic climate in NZ? Have Asset Sales done it - don't think so. Have they introduced policies to stimulate SME's - can't think of any? Have they made major changes to our spendings - they have tweaked things a little here and there, but has that really made any big difference? Have they made moves to attract new industries to NZ - some work with the film industry, but the jury is still out on what that really achieved given how much was contributed. Anything else?
Overall I can't put my finger on anything other than the China FTA that is majorly responsible for our current economic 'success', and that has Aunty Helens fingerprints all over it. Would it have even happened if National had been in power at that time and been so US centric? It might have, but right now I think we should say thank you aunty Helen.
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Yeah Grunta I've heard of it. Nationals planned intensification of Farming, Fishing, Forestry and Mining doesn't sit well with me and what I want for our country and I am not so sure its all gonna turn to custard with a change in government.
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Has anyone watched the series of documentaries by Nigel Latta over the last month?

Can't blame any one government for our current position but the current lot have only made it worse.

Rustler, you mention the NZ dream, I don't think anyone dreamt that 1 in 5 kiwi kids would be living in poverty!

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I agree with you Tagit  Aunty Helen did a fantastic job,  however right now its the Nats, I am voting for whats best for me, status quo, as I said food on the table and maintain our lifestyle,  China has had a huge influence on our economy to a great advantage of many, I also agree with onthedrop I think he is saying we need to protect what we have, as I also think we live in the best country in the world. Lets look after it. we dont need the likes of dotcom trying to f ---- us
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Originally posted by rustler rustler wrote:

I agree with you Tagit  Aunty Helen did a fantastic job,  however right now its the Nats, I am voting for whats best for me, status quo, as I said food on the table and maintain our lifestyle,  China has had a huge influence on our economy to a great advantage of many, I also agree with onthedrop I think he is saying we need to protect what we have, as I also think we live in the best country in the world. Lets look after it. we dont need the likes of dotcom trying to f ---- us

I wasn't actually saying that aunty Helen did a great job in general, just that the Nats can't take the main credit for our current economic progress. 
I actually can't think of anything the Nats have done has been good for the economy. I am not saying don't vote Nat etc, just saying that if I dig beneath the surface I can't find much substance to encourage me to vote for them either. I admire Keys efforts on the international stage I guess, but what else have they really done that you wouldn't have got from a central left Labour government? Nats did say that they would get our bloated bureaucracies sorted out, but after all the talk, has anything really happened? The guys I deal with are growing not shrinking. I guess there are one or two minor things I can think of that seem positive, but I hate the Asset sales process and don't really like seeing overseas owners buying up our country. On the big voting spring balance I am struggling to work out what National have really brought to the table that has worked for the majority of Kiwis. I think they are pretty lucky that the current Labour mob are so dysfunctional, because without that it might be a hard choice in a few weeks.
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Grunta who and what caused the GFC mess in the first place and who had to wear it?
What's your point Muppet??  - my point is getting through the mess and that was all.
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Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Grunta who and what caused the GFC mess in the first place and who had to wear it?
What's your point Muppet??  - my point is getting through the mess and that was all.
Well I reckon John Key caused the entire GFC Big smile
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Lets think about what Minto is saying. I own a house that has a CV of say $1,000,000 and over 4 years it goes up by 5% per year so when the new CV comes out it is $1,200,000. So over the 4 years i have made $200,000 so i should pay tax on that $200,000 , and at my tax rate of 33% i need to find $66,000. I dont have a spare $66,000 so i would have to sell my house to pay the tax bill.

Minto Is a Clown maybe he should get off the protest lines and get a real job and god i hope he does not become an MP this year.
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One things for shure a change of govt would cost this country dearly,we cant afford massive changes when things are running on the skin of there teeth...add in a coalition with the Green Party /labour and the mana party and weve got the perfect blend of disaster
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Originally posted by Dohboy Dohboy wrote:

Lets think about what Minto is saying. I own a house that has a CV of say $1,000,000 and over 4 years it goes up by 5% per year so when the new CV comes out it is $1,200,000. So over the 4 years i have made $200,000 so i should pay tax on that $200,000 , and at my tax rate of 33% i need to find $66,000. I dont have a spare $66,000 so i would have to sell my house to pay the tax bill.

Minto Is a Clown maybe he should get off the protest lines and get a real job and god i hope he does not become an MP this year.


Add your income to that and you might be in the 40% tax bracket....

Be happy with what you've got I reckon,I earnt $600 on sunday with penal rates and allowances in australia and took home $305 in the hand after Tax.
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Truly a massive cluster flock if those .....well, that crowd get into power. Stability in govt? Forget that. Sane policies and rational spending, forget that. Immediate haemorrhaging of money from the country, massive devaluation of the currency instantly multiplying the basic costs of imported goods such as, for example, petrol, ....just disaster.
Labour cannot make it work alone so that means Russell will demand power, such as finance minister probably grab immediate tax hikes for the filthy rich, ie: anyone that makes over fifty k a year will need to pay fifty percent tax, those under, nothing, and Minto and harawira will be itn charge of wealth redistribution. Winston will get foreign minister so he can alienate the Chinese and stuff up the feta... Oh, just peachy groovy.
I will just go live in a sane , well managed country like the solomons!
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